I stand corrected Lilly M can get pregnant

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I asked for a thread to be pulled as I thought I had made a mistake and that Lilly Madigan was in fact just joshing about being able to get pregnant but no...

Lily Madigan Dec 28
‏Womb implants are now possible. It's quite exciting. Expensive currently but yes if I wanted to in the future, reasonably I could get pregnant x
"I think you are unintentionally being transphobic. I can get pregnant. Not right now, which is true of many women. Please don't single me out" Lilly s own words.

twitter.com/madigan_lily/status/946555952303570944

I don t want this to be about LM as such but I think that some parts of the trans community have no idea of the medical implications involved in transition....

jokes about transgender people (knitting vs woodwork above

I'm one if the posters that did this and I don't give a shit if you're offended. I have as much respect for the TIM 'Lily' as he has for real women. I respect transsexuals and those who identify as transgender who get the full reassignment surgery. TIMs who try to claim they're real women, while retaining their penis and try to others to go along with their fantasy, I've no respect for.

Try saving you're outrage for women whose rights to privacy are being trampled all over. I'm no longer willing to follow the training from birth to put men's feelings first, at the expense of women.

*who try to bully others to go.....

Thanks for the explanation! And it is off topic (way, way off topic) but how is radical atheism explained?

What is “radical atheism”?

The moment my womb could be transplanted into a fucking deluded, self centred bloke is the moment I remove myself from the donor register. Full. Stop.

That would be why when updating my will recently, I stipulated that any part of me could be donated BUT my womb could only go to a biological female.

I also carry a donor card that says they can use anything after I am dead, so I might see if that can be modified along lines of Empress’s will

Lily has again stated he can get pregnant - and poor deluded fools are congratulating him...

That's it... I throw my tea towel in.... after fifty years of being a female, two live pregnancies, two rapes, one abortion and four miscarriages I obviously have no fucking idea how babies are fucking made

I’ve been following Lily’s twitter feed for a while now, until he blocked me for terfiness.

I really do think all the pregnancy talk will have peak transed most of his followers. Surely it just must be the truly hard of thinking who are still waving Pom poms for him?

Oh and I did a course this morning covering Equality and was enraged by the definitions of Gender Reassignment as a legally protected category. Fuck the proposed amendments, ‘intention to transition’ is already a protected class.

We are fucked.

7Gender reassignment

(1)A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex.

So basically, with a bit of metal gymnastics, Lily could claim direct discrimination if he wasn’t allowed to stand for the position of Women’s Officer. In other words, women as a separate class are ceasing to exist.

Mental not metal ffs.

Try contrasting the issue on this thread - that of men believing that they can have a womb transplanted into them and then get pregnant - with the thread running parallel on here about birth injuries to women.

How deeply offensive it is that anyone representing women could make this 'vanity' medical research a priority while the NHS is unable to provide safe maternity care for women that doesn't leave them with terrible after effects. The money that would need to be spent in order to provide men with wombs is unimaginable.

I so wish this thread would drop off the board as it offends me every time I notice it.

But anyone can ‘intend’ anything at any time. Thats not a foundation for taking legally meaningful action on.

If intentions are really so determinative we would be able to lock people up for ‘thoughtcrime’, or for wishing someone dead or etc etc..
So why is this particular intention (and ‘intention to do what, exactly?) so legally different and meaningful and special?

Bloody Mary convinced herself that she could get/was actually pregnant. Didn't happen.

Anachronistic is right. The real problem is the Equality Act and the current definition of "gender reassignment" and the prohibition of "discrimination by perception". It means that self ID is not actually needed for any man to enter women's spaces unless the exemptions are used. I have personally made this point before.

Looking at Lily's tweets over the last few days, I have to say I honestly in all seriousness think that it is Liam Madigan trolling/doing some sort of experiment to show how ridiculous the right-on lefties are.

The tweets about getting pregnant just set off my trolldar, you know how sometimes threads on here do? They just don't sit right. And a lot of the other tweets are becoming increasingly bizarre. And then the television appearances just don't seem genuine, although that could just be lack of charisma. The overuse of 'solidarity' and 'comarades', just seems like it might be mocking it all. And then think back to his 'Saville's Apprentice' days, he might just be massively taking the piss, and being 19 just hasn't thought about the long term consequences.

Today, after all the bizarre pregnancy tweets, Lily retweeted something from Owen Jones from last month, tweeting his support for them. It was just odd, as if he was reminding people, including Owen himself, that Owen supports this kind of batshittery.

Anyway, troll or not, I'm pretty sure that Owen, Jeremy and Angela are going to be slowly backing away from Lily, innocently whistling and looking carefully around as they do so.

But anyone can ‘intend’ anything at any time. Thats not a foundation for taking legally meaningful action on.

I agree. We need to challenge the EA and get both the definitions tightened up and the exemptions strengthened and put public pressure on organisations to respect women's rights. This law was written, as was the GRA, for transsexuals with dysphoria, not the new breed of "female penis" transactivist. And certainly not for people who claim to be a man one day and woman the next.

I also carry a donor card that says they can use anything after I am dead

Sorry, I agree with everyone else that Lily Madigan is fucking ridiculous but is taking a womb from someone on the register ever likely to be a possibility? (This is a genuine question, btw). I've just been reading about someone who had a baby through a womb transplant and my understanding of that case was that the donor was 61 and still alive (and the recipient still had their ovaries).

If it ever becomes apparent that they are donating wombs to men, I'll be another who's removing themselves from the register as well.

or other attributes of sex What the fuck is this even supposed to mean?

God I really hope LM is trolling Owen Jones.

Radical atheism would be going beyond ‘there is no God’ to a belief that the origins of religion lie in humankind’s need for deities, I think, and trying to change that.

So, not what people believe, but why they believe that and what can be done about that.

After all, you cannot prove a negative (God does not exist), so the only scientific way to get to the root of religious belief is to explore why people believe what they do and address that.

Of course, one would have to assume religion is a bad thing to be a radical atheist, and not see religion positively as something which holds communities together, and gives individuals hope.

That would be my explanation of radical atheism. I don’t think it is the same as militant atheism.

Which is maybe side-tracking the thread, but someone asked upthread.

AnachronisticCorpse - did they cover the exception in the Equality Act that states that where it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim, single-sex services can exclude trans people who identify as that sex? Or the exception that states that a trans person can be disqualified for a single-sex position where it is a genuine occupational requirement?

I bet they didn't.

IcedCocoa-that's not atheism.
Atheism simply means a lack of a belief in a god or gods.
No more or less than that. You can't be more or less of an atheist-it's a binary, to use a term suited to the thread!

The exceptions were touched on, but I understand they are very hard to implement.

And I’m pretty sure that’s going to be the next thing to be ‘amended’.

Whatever. That’s my philosophy out the window then. Do you have a better explanation of radical atheism? I mean, if atheism is simply believing there is no God, why do some atheists expend enormous amounts of time considering the moral implications of this, and what to do about the absence of belief, and whether absence of a belief is a good or a bad thing. Atheists really do not believe that atheism is simply the absence of a belief in God. They have many arguments amongst themselves about what that means.

How is that different from feminists arguing about what and why there is inequality? I mean, I think we could say feminism generally is about addressing the inequalities that women face. What that means, what we do about it and how is where the debates amongst feminists lie.

Although I am willing to be corrected on that too.

And I am not sure I said you could be more or less of an atheist, just that there are different ways of being/arguing/looking at atheism. That is a different thing.