Follow on thread III - Feeling sad and weary that feminists and trans-women are constantly pitted against one another.

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I don't know if it has the legs to sustain a third thread, but kudos to perfectly for the impeccable timing of finally answering a question on the second to last post before the thread filled up. Genius.

here is the second thread

As I am now the OP, I wonder if this gives me the right of veto over the resolutions that we apparently made in the Great Accords of 2017?

All I can say is I’m glad you and RogueBiscuit are not on my side! With friends like that who needs enemies

Look perfectly, your gay/agp friends will not EVER be showering next to my partially dressed five year old daughter. They won't be doing personal care for my elderly mum either. No amount of calling me a terf or trying to call me tight will ever have me stepping aside to give your friends access to the vulnerable females in my family. Get over it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I do not give one shiny shit about them. Get over that also.

I asked you this on another thread but you didn't respond. Perhaps you will here? Do these men actually whinge to you that parents don't want them near their children? Do they ask you to spend countless hours on here campaigning for them, or do you just do it off your own back?

Do your friends ever have similar conversations with men, and try to convince them to allow access to their wives and children? If not, why not? Where are these friends of yours perfectly? Why don't they post here themselves?

In a strange way I feel really sorry for you. You struggle with rational thinking and you're incapable of any sort of empathy. You feel a certain way so you insist everyone else should. That's not normal in an adult. I think you've got your own problems that make you vulnerable to these men treating you like some sort of minion.

Okay Irkthepurist is now blithely saying it’s ‘understandable’ that people associate being gay with peadophilia and nobody is disagreeing. (How fucking dare you by the way).

Although it was SpartonDregs who shared the fake smear, Irk claims the ‘MRA’ are using the image as a smear tactic? Are you saying SpartonDregs is MRA? And why would MRA smear themselves?

And RogueBiscuit said in the first sentence it’s gay and ‘agp’ people she has a problem with. I don’t know what agp is but I didn’t realise the feminists were opposing gay rights too.

And this is all on a public message forum.

Is it any wonder your MPs are laughing you out the door?!

Although it was SpartonDregs who shared the fake smear, Irk claims the ‘MRA’ are using the image as a smear tactic? Are you saying SpartonDregs is MRA? And why would MRA smear themselves?

Lolz.

Although it was SpartonDregs who shared the fake smear, Irk claims the ‘MRA’ are using the image as a smear tactic? Are you saying SpartonDregs is MRA? And why would MRA smear themselves?

Lolz.

Thanks for showing your face SpartonDregs - so on Christmas Eve you accused me of supporting equality for pedophiles, can I have an apology?

And RogueBiscuit said in the first sentence it’s gay and ‘agp’ people she has a problem with. I don’t know what agp is but I didn’t realise the feminists were opposing gay rights too.

She meant gay MTFs. AGP = autogynephilia. Heterosexual males who are aroused by the idea of themselves as women.

pencils I found that article confusing. Why do they have the TIM rapist at the beginning, when it's an article about female sex offenders?

Yes, to 99% of readers that was a jarring addition. The trans handmaiden that wrote it rightly got some flak on social media.

Is it any wonder your MPs are laughing you out the door?!

Not when you go and see them in person, perfectly, sorry to tell you. Not when you make elected representatives engage with the issues properly. That may have something to do with Justine Greening getting cold feet and delaying the consultation.

Erishkigal the irony is on the last thread I was convinced to keep the GRA as it is. There were intelligent and thoughtful arguments that made me realise that changing the law could be damaging.

You have to admit some of the arguments on this new thread are now bordering on ridiculous?! And goady and unhelpful which weakens your position.

There are some loose canons on here for sure.

Which arguments are ridiculous? Actually, scrap that. There doesn't need to be any argument. If a woman does not want a man in her space, then 'NO' is the end of it. It isn't up for debate or hypothetical situations where one woman wants the man there and everyone else is being mean saying he can't come in. A transwoman is not a woman. That is not up for debate either.

I sometimes think that being nice and engaging in too much discussion over these issues just results in letting men think they can override our natural boundaries. 'No' is a complete sentence, isn't it? That's all we need to say.

Erishkigal the irony is on the last thread I was convinced to keep the GRA as it is. There were intelligent and thoughtful arguments that made me realise that changing the law could be damaging.

LOL. Pull the other one.

I sometimes think that being nice and engaging in too much discussion over these issues just results in letting men think they can override our natural boundaries

Exactly it.

I'll say it again. One of you SpartonDregs has accused people that support LGBT equality of supporting equality for pedophiles. See the post on 24 Dec at 11.25.

The rest of you are letting this statement go unchecked, calling it 'understandable' or even agreeing with it.

This implies you are all happy to go along with this logic making your whole argument look like a massive joke. It's out there now in the public domain and that is what people are going to see rather than any valid, rational concerns being raised.

One of you SpartonDregs has accused people that support LGBT equality of supporting equality for pedophiles

That is exactly what is happening when grown men posing as women are trying to halt puberty leaving the kids sterile.

What else do you call that if not pedophilia?

Not at all. I think the vast majority of people are probably like me, looking at that peadophile post and thinking 'what the hell was she thinking?'
I think that post was stupid, horrible.
But I expect that unless every single poster comes on here and says so, you now claim they are homophobic.
You are picking up something that one poster has done and using it to attack all feminists here.
No. Don't.

Misgendering and deadnaming are made up misdemeanours designed to put women on the back foot. Speaking the truth about who people are is not a crime.

You can change your name by deed poll but that doesnt eradicate your past or your biology. Pretending you’ve always been a girl called Lily and making others collude in your delusion is really unhealthy.

I see no reason to be rude to people but I won’t accept any obligation to collude.

It's nothing to do with paedophiles. This is derailing the argument.

Ah, so not wanting to sterilise kids is the problem? Or in particular, not wanting to sterilise them at the whim of male AGPs. That's just yet another reason to take the 'T' away from LBG. It isn't homophobia. After all, most TAs seem to be lesbian i.e. straight. And, of course, transing is just one more revolting way to get the gay out of your kids like there's something wrong with it.

There is a fringe movement to legitimise paedophilia online and it is supported by some self declared progressive people who believe children have agency. Look up the "virtuous paedophiles" movement. Think about PIE and how left wing people supported that cause in the past. I've seen screen shots where paedophile activists were whining that the LGBT community should support them.

It's nothing to do with paedophiles. This is derailing the argument

The trans trend absolutely is about encouraging any child not fitting in with social norms that they are not the sex they are born with. The issue is that doing this and proposing that they block puberty until they are older, which can cause infertility.

If you have another word for it, when it is grown men pretending to be women who are promoting this, then please share it.

Yes paedophilia is not directly relevant to this but we need to be vigilant of it in gender activism focussed on children because I think some transactivists' behaviour borders on grooming. I have certainly seen things on social media that I find concerning. Obviously that doesn't apply to the majority of the trans community, as most people rightly believe paedophilia is abhorrent.

Paedophile is definitely the wrong word.
Paedophiles want to have sex with children.
I do not have to come up with a different word for it. I don't agree with the sterilisation of children either.
You are playing right into the hands of TRAs.

Thanks Nuffaluff good to know at least one of you on here is sane, but as recent posts prove it seems the majority on here are willing to let the association with pedophilia stand. Sickening

Are you on board with penis stuffers for under 5 girls? What does that constitute?

Also look up the Australian "Safe Schools" programme: Https://unsafeschools.org/the-australian-safe-schools-program-la-trobe-university/

Inappropriately sexualising children is child abuse.

perfectly you've misquoted irk.
She didn't say it was understandable people associated being gay with paedophilia.
She said People should be aware of the history of the Pedophile Information Exchange, understand why people associate paedophilia with the gay community, and so understand why MRA's are able to use this smear tactic.
Some people do make a connection between being gay and paedophilia, it is a homophobic smear. She was pointing out why the "adding p to lgbt" meme was able to gain traction despite being utter shit. (That's what she was referring to with MRAs being able to use the smear tactic).

I hope you were just so enraged you didn't read her post thoroughly rather than misquoting on purpose with the aim of making us look homophobic.