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My neighbour Steve

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xxnamechangexx · 19/12/2017 21:49

I live in a block of flats.

I've been in my flat for a long time now. It's nothing overly fancy, but it's mine and I worked pretty hard to get it and I've done a lot of work on it making it into a space I can call home.

Across the hall from me is a flat where a group of guys live. They have a lot of friends round and there's always different ones coming and going. I don't really know them but I've had a lot of issues with some of them. Comments, pushy behaviour, that sort of thing.

Not all of them are like that of course. One or two of them even seem quite nice, but some of them have been a nightmare. One or two them of them make me quite glad when I've locked the door behind but you learn to avoid eye contact and get inside sharpish. No big deal I guess.

Some time ago another guy, Steve, moved in with them.

Steve is a bit different to the others.

Most of the men he lives with are fine about that but a couple of them have been pretty dickish about it. He's had some trouble with a few of them and one of them was violent towards him a while back. I feel for him because I know what they can be like. Not all of them - most of them are fine as I say, but one or two of them are pretty threatening and aggressive and I can understand why Steve doesn't always feel safe.

I don't know Steve that well but I've supported him where I can with this. We've talked about how awful they can be and I've given him witness statements when the violence happened. It's settled down since then but sometimes when there's a lot of them or they've been drinking I know he feels unsafe.

So anyway, sometime I said Steve could come to mine when he wanted to. I wanted him to be able to come into mine if it was kicking off again or if it was getting lairy or he didn't feel safe. I know I was taking a bit of a risk here but Steve seems pretty harmless and I understand what these guys are like - after all I've been getting shit from them for years.

So, now Steve sometimes comes into my house. It's not a formal arrangement and to be honest we didn't even really discuss it. I just kind of let him now he could when he needed to and he seemed to understand. We don't really talk, he doesn't bother me he just sometimes uses my space when he doesn't feel safe.

Some of my friends think I'm a bit crazy letting him do this, but it's worked for a while now. I've never had any trouble and in any case, if anything did happen it's my house, I can tell Steve to leave.

I've never needed to though and it's worked fine for ages with no problems.

Until last week.

Last week Steve told me that he was no longer happy with just being able to come in. He said it made him feel like he didn't really belong in my flat. He told me he feels he's more like me than then men in his flat.

I was completely taken aback. Of course, he doesn't really belong there - it's my flat.

So I suggested to Steve that he got his own place. It seemed like a good solution to me. After all, he wasn't comfortable where he was and whilst I didn't mind him using my space it still made me uncomfortable sometimes. I mean it's my flat after all. I’ve worked hard for it.

Anyway, Steve didn't like that idea. He didn't see why he should have to get his own space just because these of the way these men behaved and he really liked my place and he felt comfortable there. He also said he had a lot more friends who had the same issue he was having with these guys and he needed them to be able to use my place.

Steve had a solution.

Steve decided that what I should do was remove my door lock. That way he could in whenever he needed to. As could anyone else who needed to hang out in my place to avoid these men. Locking my door wasn't fair to him he said. He wanted to be able to come in any time he liked. He felt like he belonged there and he was entitled to be there.

Obviously, my jaw hit the floor at this point.

I pointed out to Steve that this was insane. Without a front door lock how the hell would I safe? Anyone could come into my flat at any time. How would this make Steve safe? The very guys he came to my flat to avoid could now just wander in unchallenged.

Steve assured me they wouldn't do that. He pointed out that if they really wanted to come in and hurt me, a lock wouldn't stop them, they would just break in. So, taking the lock off didn't make any difference. The only people who would come in, he told me, was him and people like him. People who didn't want to do me any harm.

Obviously, I told him to fuck off. This was insane. At this point Steve got really upset and starting saying I didn't trust him enough to remove my lock and I clearly thought he was some sort of pervert or threat. I’m not threatened by Steve, but I'm clearly not going to take the lock off my front door and let anyone come in. That's just crazy.

The more I said no the angrier Steve got. The more he accused me of hating him and not understanding how threatened he felt. I couldn't get my head around this. Clearly, I didn't hate him - in fact I always thought I was a bit of an ally. Not to mention I'd been getting shit off these guys for the last 20 years. I wasn't threatened by him, I was threatened by opening up my flat to anyone who wanted to come in. And without a lock, how could I even challenge people. I'd offered an open invitation.

I told Steve it wasn't going to happen.

To be honest, at this point, given the vitriol of his reaction I wasn't even sure I wanted Steve coming in my flat anymore. I told him to go.
I was pretty stunned but I thought that was the end of it. I was wrong.
Steve went to the committee that manages the flats. He told them about how threatened he was and how he needed a safe space. He explained why he didn't want his own space but how mine was perfect for his needs and he belonged there. It was his right.

The committee agreed with him.

Steve, they said, was getting such a hard time from the guys across the hall that they agreed I should remove my front door lock so he could get access to my flat.

I told them about all the issues I had had and how unsafe I would be but they wouldn't listen.

I told them that if I took of my lock the very guys Steve wanted to avoid could just walk in.

That won't happen, they said.

You're hysterical, they said.

After that things got a lot worse. Steve, his friends and the committee started telling me how unfair I was to Steve.

They said I clearly wished him harm and they made up new words to insult me. Every time I told them I wanted Steve to be safe but I didn't want to open up my flat to anyone I was shouted down, told I was a bigot and told I was hurting Steve.

Steve rang my employer and told them I was bullying him and I nearly lost my job. Even some of my friends turned against me.

Next week the committee are meeting to decide if I have to remove my lock. I’m not invited to the meeting. The only people there are Steve and the committee. I’m told this doesn’t affect me so my view doesn’t need to be heard.

Today I heard Steve’s running the committee.

I don’t think I’ll be getting to keep my lock.

OP posts:
hollowtree · 20/12/2017 01:34

I literally don't understand what's going on here?

So... none of this post actually happened? And it is, in fact, a metaphor?

What is it a metaphor for?

Ereshkigal · 20/12/2017 02:09

Putting it in AIBU is worth it because it gets a wider audience and wakes some people up.

WTAFisthisshit · 20/12/2017 07:36

hollowtree

OP is woman in general, the men are men, Steve is transwoman. The lock on the door is proposed changes to the law.

I think I've got that right.

Elendon · 20/12/2017 09:22

I like your post a lot xxnamechangexx

It's a great allegorical tale of the madness that is happening now.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory

For those struggling with the concept.

xxnamechangexx · 20/12/2017 10:01

Mumsnet are removing it from AIBU

Not really sure why...

OP posts:
WTAFisthisshit · 20/12/2017 10:09

This was raised on the other thread which I thought was interesting, so I'm just bringing it here so it's not lost.

My neighbour Steve
AssassinatedBeauty · 20/12/2017 10:20

The deletion message says that they didn't think it was going anywhere positive. Which I don't really understand.

Ereshkigal · 20/12/2017 10:25

Well yes it was raising awareness of what's actually happening. So I think that was positive. I guess people complained about being duped. They don't appear to understand what an allegory is.

Datun · 20/12/2017 10:26

I don’t understand it either. Perhaps it was just based on the number of reports?

It would definitely have got people thinking, OP.

No-one could read that and think it sounded fine.

If, at the end, they realised it was about the trans-ideology they would have had to have readjusted their cognitive dissonance.

They know that. They may choose to disregard it. But they know it.

And, never forget, for every person posting, a hundred are lurking.

Nineteenagain · 20/12/2017 10:26

Great post

SlowlyShrinking · 20/12/2017 10:27

Great post op. I saw it in aibu but didn’t click on it cos I thought it was a real cfn post. I wish I had now 😬

xxnamechangexx · 20/12/2017 10:37

Maybe people got annoyed at spending all that time reading it and felt duped at the end

It was overly long and clunky

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Ereshkigal · 20/12/2017 10:40

It was up all night. I think quite a few people will have read it, which was the point. As Datun says it will challenge their cognitive dissonance.

Datun · 20/12/2017 10:44

It was overly long and clunky

It was fine. You took pains to cover each point and make sure they matched.

Which they did.

ArcheryAnnie · 20/12/2017 10:47

This is AMAZING.

QuentinSummers · 20/12/2017 10:51

I've suspected for a while that MNHQ are a lot more comfortable with confining the trans chat to feminism. That way we can discuss it (and no doubt attract lots of visitors) but we can all pretend its "just TERFs".

I think this because a while back there was a thread in AIBU and they commented to say "thanks for all the reports, we are moving this to feminist chat". They didn't end up moving it because of backlash but I thought it was telling.

I'm pleased they let us discuss it at all though, they are walking a tightrope for us

ISaySteadyOn · 20/12/2017 10:52

I lurk. I thought it was an excellent analogy. I wish I had the eloquence of half the posters here.

nauticant · 20/12/2017 10:54

The best bit on the other thread was some posters demanding allegory tags on threads. It seems they need a trigger warning to avoid accidentally being exposed.

The outbreak of allegory allergy made me smile.

lessworriedaboutthecat · 20/12/2017 10:57

Its a good allegory however I can see why it was deleted. It reminds me of a thread I saw on here a few years ago about a woman and her son who were experiencing domestic violence which turned out to be an allegory about the Israeli Palestinian conflict. As with this post I was really sympathizing with the poor women's plight until near the end the penny dropped.

MangoSplit · 20/12/2017 11:02

I didn’t see the AIBU thread but just dropping in here to offer my support.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 20/12/2017 11:07

I don't understand why they deleted it. I do think they have moved on a bit from last year but still - et tu #nodebate MN?

xxnamechangexx · 20/12/2017 11:17

Allegory allergy Grin

I can see it being annoying if you'd been reading it and getting het up about some poor woman's flat though Grin

The whole situation is just so insane and we seem to be sleep walking into it which scare me.

No one I talk to outside of MN has heard of it and they don't really believe it when you explain it

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peanut2017 · 20/12/2017 11:23

Great post OP

AccioWine · 20/12/2017 11:29

Very interesting. The penny dropped about halfway through for me. Nicely put, op, thank you.

hackmum · 20/12/2017 11:36

I thought it was brilliant. It was about half way through when I realised it was allegorical.

Haven't seen the AIBU thread but I can imagine a lot of scratched heads combined with outright hostility.

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