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A letter to the TERFs

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Helen1111 · 13/12/2017 18:36

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To the women shrieking transphobic abuse on Mumsnet, in the name of women's rights,

Ten, fifteen years from now, when the world you wish for has come to pass, I ask you to remember me.

Remember me when you have your first baby and the trans woman by the bed next to you, who was with her wife every step of the way is consistently humiliated, dehumanised and denied her true value as a mother, because the best people can manage is to call her a facsimile of a woman, a pseudo-father, and she wishes that just for once, at this most transformative of moments, they would call her a woman, a mother, because that's what she is. But they can’t or they won’t, because they think that denying her the right to be a mother somehow gives them more rights or keeps them safe.

Remember me when your trans neighbour, who is waiting to have children before he starts hormone therapy, gives birth, and feels vulnerable and exposed, because the one person who would truly have been able to understand how he feels (and the best midwife on the ward) has been drummed out by transphobic haters who call her "a man in a dress.". Remember me when the doctors refuse to let your trans cousin see a female doctor, because they won’t record her sex as ‘female.’ Remember me when they laugh at her genitalia, when strangers ask to see what’s under her dress, when they force her to show them, even though her body is screaming no.

Remember me when your elderly mother, who is still reeling from you declaring her “lost to dementia” despite being every bit a feeling, thinking human being, goes into a care home and, despite having lived as a woman all her adult life, is called Sam, and cared for with the men. And even in her addled state of mind, she knows that she is Susan, and you know she is your mother, but you cannot object, and can only sit by while her confusion is compounded with depression, anxiety and grief.

Remember me when your daughter comes home from school crying, the daughter who has spent the last five years training to be the best athlete in her class, her school, her district, she's crying because transphobic mothers won’t allow her to run in the girls' race, but she can't go into the boys' changing rooms for fear of being beaten, and she knows it doesn't matter how hard she trains, she will never be allowed to compete, or even if she does, people would never accept her victories.

Remember me when you go into a toilet late at night, perhaps in a bar, and there's no one else around, and a guy walks in, he has a beard and is wearing jeans and a t shirt, and the way he looks at you seems off, and you feel afraid and unsettled and worried he might hurt you. But you can't challenge him, because the law says he is a woman, because he wasn’t born with a penis.

Remember me when your niece goes for a promotion, for a board position at work that's designated for a woman. She’s put in the hours, she’s worked so hard, she knows she deserves it. And the position goes to Lola, who has spent the last year subjecting her to transphobic bullying her at every opportunity, and making her life so miserable that she’s considered suicide more than once. Lola will never do anything inconvenient like needing time off to have surgery, or to recover from the latest transphobic beating she received when walking home, (though either of them could get breast cancer because it doesn’t just affect people who were born female).

Remember me when you read on the news that crime statistics for trans men and women being raped, murdered, beaten and driven to suicide are on the increase, and that, not only did you do anything to challenge or prevent this, but you spurred it on, in the name of women’s rights. Remember me too, when vulnerable trans women, who look for all the world like you and me, are locked up in male prisons and cannot escape, even though they are imprisoned with the very people who abused them and drove them to the edge.

Remember me when your son comes home from school and says that he's learned at school that you can change sex and that some girls have penises and some boys have vaginas, and he tells you that this was the first time he ever felt like there was a truly place for him in the world. But then his teacher told him it is wrong and immoral to be like this. And you realise that all this time, when you preached transphobia, you were teaching others that your son was wrong, was a misogynist in women’s clothing. And you realise that your son, your wonderful, unique, son, will only be happy when you accept him as your daughter. Remember me when a few months down the line the teacher calls you in and says she's concerned that your son is depressed, that he is being bullied by people who were once his friends, but she doesn't want to have to involve their parents in this, because it’s really just a lifestyle choice and people should be free to tell him what they think of him, after all it’s really just protecting the rights of the girls in the class. But you are afraid – of yourself, your son, your friends, and you don’t know what to do.

In this brave new world that you helped to create, look around for your transphobic friends, the ones who called trans women “six foot men with stubble in a dress” and yet still claimed these ‘men’ were “benefitting from the patriarchy.” Look around and maybe you will finally see that this has cost trans women everything, it has made the world a harder, crueller place for them, and yet they still did this. Despite the odds, the pain, the abuse, despite never being considered to be one thing or another, they still chose to live as women.

And me? I'll be where I've always been. Fighting for all our rights. Fighting to tell you that you do not do this in my name. Fighting to undo the damage.

Watch your own backs, we’ve got ours.

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Thermostatpolice · 13/12/2017 20:24

Good post ThreeforTwo.

AstraiaLiberty · 13/12/2017 20:24
Biscuit
DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 13/12/2017 20:24

I'm not denying women are oppressed. But cisgender women have won far more formal equality than all trans people have. If you want women to have control of their genitals then that also means not denying trans women the right to have control of theirs too.

Source?

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 13/12/2017 20:24

“Chromosomal sex is a process, not an assignation.”
What does that statement even think it means?
These people are so helplessly, hopelessly stupid it beggars belief

ThreeForTwo · 13/12/2017 20:25

99% of the important things about me are not the bits of me that make the word 'woman' the right word to use. But those bits do make 'woman' the right word to use for me, and not 'man', regardless of my personality, any subjective internal feelings about what I'd prefer to be, and so on.

whitehandledkitchenknife · 13/12/2017 20:26

Brava Barracker

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 13/12/2017 20:26

BarrackerBarmer I agree. Wouldn't it be good if we could cut out the middle bit?

KatherinaMinola · 13/12/2017 20:27

Oh yes, please move this to Classics Grin

Thermostatpolice · 13/12/2017 20:27

Barracker I think you're right.

ArcheryAnnie · 13/12/2017 20:28

ThreeForTwo it's like saying that the description of humans as bipedal means that we are reducing humans down to their legs, and denies the existence of people born without legs or who have lost legs in an accident. It's utterly ludicrous.

BeyondAssignation · 13/12/2017 20:30

I use a wheelchair, the definition of people being bipedal doesn't deny my existence. I'm a "fault" biology wise. There is no value judgement on that.

MaidOfStars · 13/12/2017 20:31

Sex isn't as clear as that. As many as 1 person in 100 has some form of “DSD,” a difference/disorder of sex development
This is bollocks. To get the number that high, you have to include hypospadias in males. This is not a sex development defect. It’s a urinary tract defect which affects a system that happens to coopt the penis, the formed penis of an XY male.

And it includes PCOS too. PCOS that happens in XX females with ovaries and vaginas and vulvas.

These are not intersex disorders. In 2016 in the UK, 130 babies were born with ambiguous enough genitalia that a sex differentiation expert has to be called in. 130 babies of nearly 700,000 born. Intersex is rare.

genever · 13/12/2017 20:31

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ArcheryAnnie · 13/12/2017 20:31

If you want women to have control of their genitals then that also means not denying trans women the right to have control of theirs too.

Where have any of us tried to deny the right of transwomen to have control over their own genitals, ffs? Again, Tesla, please link to where any of us have said that. I dare you.

peanut2017 · 13/12/2017 20:32

Barracker great post

WTAFisthisshit · 13/12/2017 20:33

BarrackerBarmer sad but true

Please move to classics

perfectlywretched · 13/12/2017 20:33

Pencils I don't understand why genuine trans women (who lots of feminists on here claim to support) should suffer the collateral damage of this terf ideology?

Because many, many posters on here are spouting hate towards anyone born with a penis who 'claims' to be a woman.

Acknowledgement that the majority of trans women pose no threat to women's rights would make the world take your concerns much more seriously about the pisstakers to do pose a threat.

All the mocking and hate of stubbly men in dresses just makes you look backward, bigoted and full of hate.

DianaPrincessOfThemyscira · 13/12/2017 20:33

Remember me when you read on the news that crime statistics for trans men and women being raped, murdered, beaten and driven to suicide are on the increase, and that, not only did you do anything to challenge or prevent this, but you spurred it on, in the name of women’s rights.

That bit really fucking insulting.

It's not because of women's rights that women are battered and killed in ever increasing numbers. It's not because of women's rights that shelters are required, and it's not because of women's rights that those shelters are frequently closing despite said rising numbers!

I heard yesterday that funding for shelters has stagnated in the last ten years, where in some places, 13% of all crime is domestic violence.

But hell, it's women's rights that cause this. And I have news for you - it's not feminists that are baying for blood. It's not feminists that take pictures of themselves carrying knives and saying they'll batter a feminist and shit down her neck.

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 13/12/2017 20:34

It didn’t even make sense Confused

overnightangel · 13/12/2017 20:34

You could have kept that shorter by typing
“I want what I want and fuck everyone else”

Horrible

RaininSummer · 13/12/2017 20:35

Wow that OP is a whole world of crazy.

HermioneWeasley · 13/12/2017 20:35

Another vote for classics

BeyondAssignation · 13/12/2017 20:35

"Acknowledgement that the majority of trans women pose no threat to women's rights would make the world take your concerns much more seriously about the pisstakers to do pose a threat."

Oh ffs. I honesty don't know how to respond to this after we have just pointed out that we are saying exactly this. If you've followed as many of these threads as you claim to have, you've clearly done it with your eyes shut. Including this one.

ThreeForTwo · 13/12/2017 20:37

Acknowledgement that the majority of trans women pose no threat to women's rights would make the world take your concerns much more seriously about the pisstakers to do pose a threat.

People say this on here over and over again. How many threads have you actually read?

MoseShrute · 13/12/2017 20:37

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