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A letter to the TERFs

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Helen1111 · 13/12/2017 18:36

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To the women shrieking transphobic abuse on Mumsnet, in the name of women's rights,

Ten, fifteen years from now, when the world you wish for has come to pass, I ask you to remember me.

Remember me when you have your first baby and the trans woman by the bed next to you, who was with her wife every step of the way is consistently humiliated, dehumanised and denied her true value as a mother, because the best people can manage is to call her a facsimile of a woman, a pseudo-father, and she wishes that just for once, at this most transformative of moments, they would call her a woman, a mother, because that's what she is. But they can’t or they won’t, because they think that denying her the right to be a mother somehow gives them more rights or keeps them safe.

Remember me when your trans neighbour, who is waiting to have children before he starts hormone therapy, gives birth, and feels vulnerable and exposed, because the one person who would truly have been able to understand how he feels (and the best midwife on the ward) has been drummed out by transphobic haters who call her "a man in a dress.". Remember me when the doctors refuse to let your trans cousin see a female doctor, because they won’t record her sex as ‘female.’ Remember me when they laugh at her genitalia, when strangers ask to see what’s under her dress, when they force her to show them, even though her body is screaming no.

Remember me when your elderly mother, who is still reeling from you declaring her “lost to dementia” despite being every bit a feeling, thinking human being, goes into a care home and, despite having lived as a woman all her adult life, is called Sam, and cared for with the men. And even in her addled state of mind, she knows that she is Susan, and you know she is your mother, but you cannot object, and can only sit by while her confusion is compounded with depression, anxiety and grief.

Remember me when your daughter comes home from school crying, the daughter who has spent the last five years training to be the best athlete in her class, her school, her district, she's crying because transphobic mothers won’t allow her to run in the girls' race, but she can't go into the boys' changing rooms for fear of being beaten, and she knows it doesn't matter how hard she trains, she will never be allowed to compete, or even if she does, people would never accept her victories.

Remember me when you go into a toilet late at night, perhaps in a bar, and there's no one else around, and a guy walks in, he has a beard and is wearing jeans and a t shirt, and the way he looks at you seems off, and you feel afraid and unsettled and worried he might hurt you. But you can't challenge him, because the law says he is a woman, because he wasn’t born with a penis.

Remember me when your niece goes for a promotion, for a board position at work that's designated for a woman. She’s put in the hours, she’s worked so hard, she knows she deserves it. And the position goes to Lola, who has spent the last year subjecting her to transphobic bullying her at every opportunity, and making her life so miserable that she’s considered suicide more than once. Lola will never do anything inconvenient like needing time off to have surgery, or to recover from the latest transphobic beating she received when walking home, (though either of them could get breast cancer because it doesn’t just affect people who were born female).

Remember me when you read on the news that crime statistics for trans men and women being raped, murdered, beaten and driven to suicide are on the increase, and that, not only did you do anything to challenge or prevent this, but you spurred it on, in the name of women’s rights. Remember me too, when vulnerable trans women, who look for all the world like you and me, are locked up in male prisons and cannot escape, even though they are imprisoned with the very people who abused them and drove them to the edge.

Remember me when your son comes home from school and says that he's learned at school that you can change sex and that some girls have penises and some boys have vaginas, and he tells you that this was the first time he ever felt like there was a truly place for him in the world. But then his teacher told him it is wrong and immoral to be like this. And you realise that all this time, when you preached transphobia, you were teaching others that your son was wrong, was a misogynist in women’s clothing. And you realise that your son, your wonderful, unique, son, will only be happy when you accept him as your daughter. Remember me when a few months down the line the teacher calls you in and says she's concerned that your son is depressed, that he is being bullied by people who were once his friends, but she doesn't want to have to involve their parents in this, because it’s really just a lifestyle choice and people should be free to tell him what they think of him, after all it’s really just protecting the rights of the girls in the class. But you are afraid – of yourself, your son, your friends, and you don’t know what to do.

In this brave new world that you helped to create, look around for your transphobic friends, the ones who called trans women “six foot men with stubble in a dress” and yet still claimed these ‘men’ were “benefitting from the patriarchy.” Look around and maybe you will finally see that this has cost trans women everything, it has made the world a harder, crueller place for them, and yet they still did this. Despite the odds, the pain, the abuse, despite never being considered to be one thing or another, they still chose to live as women.

And me? I'll be where I've always been. Fighting for all our rights. Fighting to tell you that you do not do this in my name. Fighting to undo the damage.

Watch your own backs, we’ve got ours.

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blackdoggotmytongue · 13/12/2017 21:31

No feminists wish anyone identifying as transgender harm. You are mistaking anger and frustration about losses in protections for women as hatred.
I know plenty of transgender people. I am extremely concerned about self-ID. I am extremely concerned about violent trans activists having taken over this space, endangering both women and the existing trans population.
I don’t hate anyone. I am extremely worried that women’s rights are being eroded by men and that there are women who are not realizing this, sleepwalking into a future where they are unable to refuse to share intimate space with an intact male transwoman, because that person is legally protected as a woman. I am already in that situation at work.
Perfectly, you have COMPLETELY misunderstood. The only people spewing violence and hatred are the trans activists. If you ARE a feminist, does it not concern you?

perfectlywretched · 13/12/2017 21:34

Opal that made me laugh Grin

I support transgender rights but some of the extreme trans ideology is questionable to say the least. It doesn't mean we should sink to their level.

I had an interesting debate with a trans friend of mine the other day who said 18 year old women can get a 'life changing' tattoo really easily so why is access to testosterone so difficult? As in you need to have years of therapy before it can be prescribed.

My response? I had a shit tattoo when I was 18 and I wish someone had given me years of therapy first.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 13/12/2017 21:34

Well this is going well OP

Thanks for dropping in.

When can we expect you again?

IrkThePurist · 13/12/2017 21:35

perfectlywretched

You've claimed there are militant women here driving other women to go along, and then demanded women here say a sentence because you want them to.

Can you see the contradiction?

BatShite · 13/12/2017 21:35

If you want women to have control of their genitals then that also means not denying trans women the right to have control of theirs too.

Who is denying transwomen the right to control their own genitals? What even does this mean?!

VanGoghsLeftEar · 13/12/2017 21:35

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BatShite · 13/12/2017 21:35

If you want women to have control of their genitals then that also means not denying trans women the right to have control of theirs too.

Who is denying transwomen the right to control their own genitals? What even does this mean?!

AskBasil · 13/12/2017 21:36

I tried to read through that drivel.

But I just can't.

I've tried three times.

You really can't write OP.

Stick to shrieking TERF and bigot at anyone you disagree with

KatherinaMinola · 13/12/2017 21:37

Is it time to admit it’s not trans women with genuine body dysphoria who are the problem but the tiny minority’s of pisstakers who claim to be women when they are not? Surely common sense can weed them out?

perfectlywretched, do you think "common sense" will weed out Lily Madigan? Genuine question.

AskBasil · 13/12/2017 21:37

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AskBasil · 13/12/2017 21:38

Blimey yes, where is the common sense of the labour party?

TheXXFactor · 13/12/2017 21:40

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BarrackerBarmer · 13/12/2017 21:43

Cote, OP took a bunch of madey uppy scenarios about people-with-penises and helpfully called them 'mother'/'daughter'/'niece'.
We're supposed to be very sad that the penis people are not being treated as if they were vagina-people.

So, for example, the woman in bed having just pushed a baby out of her vagina is supposed to occupy her time with sadfeelz for the penisperson standing very close to her bed, who, having impregnated his wife (in the neighbouring bed) with his ladyspermz, and presumably watched her push her baby out of her vagina, is being denied the right to be called mother by the two wretched vagina having birthing torn perineum people.
Selfish heartless birthing people that they are, not thinking of him in his hour of need.

It would be much easier to get the gist if we had pictures...

CAAKE · 13/12/2017 21:43

Have just rtft. Love you MN 😆

Do come back@Helen1111

KatherinaMinola · 13/12/2017 21:44

it is you, OP, and your fellow handmaidens who are on the wrong side of history. And on the wrong side of biology. And on the wrong side of reality

Grin
LastGirlOnTheLeft · 13/12/2017 21:44

OP, you are an idiot! Shrieking, really?

Men are stupid and you are a man who is more stupid than most!!!

CoteDAzur · 13/12/2017 21:48

"Selfish heartless birthing people that they are, not thinking of him in his hour of need."

Cunts. That's shocking. Everyone knows that women must resume putting men't needs first as soon as their front holes are stitched up after the birth.

ladyballs · 13/12/2017 21:51

I thought the birthing example was a transman giving birth.

It's still utter bilge.

BarrackerBarmer · 13/12/2017 21:51

Indeed. Not their frontfront holes though. Need those to wee. Just the frontholes. The ones behind the frontfrontholes, and in front of the backfront holes.

#medicalterminology2017

hipsterfun · 13/12/2017 21:53

Nooo, don’t delete it because it’s a TAAT! PMSL here reading the replies Grin

BeyondAssignation · 13/12/2017 21:53

Fuck knows, ladyballs - when words mean whatever the speaker wants them to mean, it could be anything. Helen could be talking about her cat having kittens and we'd know no different.

PricklyBall · 13/12/2017 21:53

Perfectly, I would just like to point out that I really object to you demanding we all recite our catechism. Because it has already been pointed out to you, quite explicitly and unambiguously, multiple times and by multiple posters that none of us have anything against genuinely transexual people with body dysmorphia, and in fact we worry that they are being thrown under the bus along with the whole of the female sex by aggressive and violent transactivists. Yet you still come along after we have pointed this out to you pretending that we are all a bunch of hate-filled extremists who must be forced to recant of our ways by uttering your "mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa." Well, I'm not doing it. Not because I don't wish genuine transexuals a happy and fulfilled life, free from violence, harrassment and discrimination.

I have said repeatedly, on this thread and on many others before it, that I do wish genuine transexuals a happy and fulfilled life, free from violence, harrassment and discrimination. Because I've repeatedly said this, that's why I won't be coerced into making a public apology for behaviour I never bleeding well exhibited in the first place.

If anything, you should be the one apologising for not actually reading any of our posts carefully enough in the first place.

Like the one in which I said I was quite happy with the GRA as it stood, because it protected biologically necessary single sex spaces and allowed transwomen to gain legal protection while weeding out the piss-takers (pretty much the same position as one of our regular transwomen posters, Curry, advocates). My problem is, and has always been, with the idea that this should be replaced by self-declaration.

BeyondAssignation · 13/12/2017 21:54
SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 13/12/2017 21:56

Is the OP coming back? I'm dying to know why someone would think my mum was a bloke.

BeyondAssignation · 13/12/2017 21:57

It's the power tools, Saskia.

Or it is for my mum, anyway.

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