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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Woman kicked out of Labour's Women's Network party because her views might make a MALE feel unsafe

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AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 12/12/2017 12:00

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This is what it has come to. A women thrown out of a women's network party because of a man, or more accurately, a boy's feelings might be hurt. What the fuck is going on?

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SparklyUnicornTractors · 16/12/2017 12:20

Someone posted a very good link to a YouTube video a few weeks ago talking about the original view of feminism as addressing inexqualitynand oppression of women to the modern university view of feminism which it's a rights movement that covers absolutely everyone and biological women Funnily enough in this version are the mummies who put the,selves last like good girls. Which shows how brainwashed by misogyny it is. Rule three of misogyny: feminism must serve men and men's interests or it's worthless.

It's like demanding that the NSPCC focus on animal rescue, donkey sanctuaries and the elderly or they're excluding and hateful.

Maryz · 16/12/2017 12:48

Ireland quietly passed the GRA with no public consultation that I can find, and in the wake of the euphoria following the success of the Gay Marriage Referendum.

It seems that here transgender means the old-fashioned desperate transexual - the person who will go to any lengths to "pass", not the in-your-face transactivists that seem to be rearing their heads in the UK.

Having said that, transgender is creeping into universities and other organisations. At the moment the idea of a "third space" seems to be acceptable all round. If that changes and transgender people become more aggressive about women's spaces, public attitude might change (or at least people might notice).

I think it's sport that'll focus people's attitudes here. There is a big push to get youngsters into sport and special consideration for women. If transwomen appear in women's sport people will notice.

Abortion is a whole other story [sigh] Don't get me started on that one.

Fekko · 16/12/2017 13:53

I have to ask. So transgender - so for a man, he says that he 'feels like' a woman but doesn't necessarily want surgery or hormones so outwardly is is a man (excluding hair, clothes etc).

So how does
a) he 'know' what being a woman feels like,
b) justify having male tackle whilst saying that he is 'woman+',
c) be so pig headed that he cannot 'think like woman' and understand that a (regular type) woman in a changing room doesn't want a penis in there too
d) decide that he actually has more rights than someone born as a woman - and not realise that this is a made bullying technique and have 'one up' on those he says he is one of?

My brain can't compute.

Maryz · 16/12/2017 14:14

a) Apparently he just knows. Ladybrain and all
b) It's a ladydick, a female penis
c) he is thinking like a woman, much better than most cis-women, obviously, since they are transphobic and therefore not thinking clearly. And hysterical.
d) he is the most disadvantaged of all disadvantaged people ever and is just fighting for his rights. See cis-privilege.

Fekko · 16/12/2017 14:22

Oh well that ok then. Maybe they are a more higher evolution that born women?

Wait till the buggers get periods, pmt, the menopause, or the ability to give birth (at the same time as needing a prostrate check). And get paid less, ware promotions, etc. Yup you can have it all women+! Hahaha!

Fekko · 16/12/2017 14:25

Oh oh and I forgot - cat calling from building sites, told to 'cheer up luv', told that they were attacked because they were dressed like they were 'asking for it', have 'oi ugly' yelled at them by knuckle draggers from a passing car...

Of the life of a princess!

FattyCat · 16/12/2017 15:58

Fekko

A lot of trans activists have posted on how they find catcalling and objectification empowering, as it legitimises their womanhood

wish mumsnet had a puking emoticon

DeleteOrDecay · 16/12/2017 16:22

So Ireland have passed the GRA while abortion remains illegal.

You couldn't make it up!

SpartonDregs · 16/12/2017 16:28

Wait till the buggers get periods, pmt, the menopause, or the ability to give birth

Sorry to burst your bubble, but talking about these things is hate speak. We are not allowed to mention the little things of being a woman in front of transwomen [aka men] as it hurts their feelings.

Fekko · 16/12/2017 16:49

Bull/heifer-bloody shit.

SparklyUnicornTractors · 16/12/2017 17:13

Fekko very good article by a transwoman shared on one of these threads about feeling let down that when they danced on the bar in the evening they didn't receive the offers of sex that the biological women and gay men did when they danced. They said that women needed to get past their dislike of being objectified as they craved it, would enjoy it and felt it was their entitlement. There was a very innocent rider that they however only wanted to be objectified when they felt like it and not for example when they were busy or working.

Oh the innocence Sad The reason women fight it is because they don't get to choose when and their convenience or feelings or thoughts are irrelevant. It's about being stuck in a body that men feel they have entitlement to, and that's anything but empowering or ok. Women don't get to identify out of that, it isn't their gender that gets objectified, assaulted or raped. It's the biology. Hence the awful story of the sobbing transman who was raped in a taxi telling the police 'But I kept telling him I was a man'.

irretating · 16/12/2017 17:19

Wait till the buggers get periods, pmt, the menopause,

They're laying claim to periods too, or at least the symptoms.

BatShite · 16/12/2017 20:08

However, Lily is delighted that it looks like Labour are going to be turning on sny members who don’t accept the transwomen are women dogma

Surely thats suicide for Labour. If they reject any members who do not believe male people are female...they will be left with maybe a few thousand batshit crazy biology deniers Hmm

WTAFisthisshit · 16/12/2017 20:25

Perhaps my pet conspiracy theory that Lily is in fact an alt right plant to bring down the Labour isn't so crazy after all?

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