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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Thank you thread for those standing up for women

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ArcheryAnnie · 24/11/2017 23:04

I just wanted to start to say thank you to some of those who have given me the courage to begin to speak out, too. The calmness and persistence in the face of absolute hate and vileness is really something. (And it must become very tiring to know that when you google your own name, the search box will autofill "...should die in a fire", so I wanted to add something psoitive to the mix!)

There's lots here on mumsnet that I am grateful to, but I will start with people I got to know elsewhere first.

Linda Bellos. I have only seen her name recently on this issue, but she's been inspiring me since I was a teenage radical, so very long ago. I can't tell you how happy I am that she is here and still fighting. Linda, thank you.

Glosswitch. She was one of the first they went for. She's brilliant and brave and funny and I am so glad she's writing. Glossy, thank you.

Sarah Ditum. Also funny and brilliant and calm and persistent. If you haven't signed up for her tinyletter, I suggest you do so immediately! Sarah, thank you.

Claire Heuchan. Fantastic, thoughtful, insightful writer. Also introduced me to the fact that the Glasgow Women's Library exists! Claire, thank you.

Miranda Yardley. Calm, devastating, and unbelievably persistent. Currently filleting Peter Tatchell on twitter. Miranda, thank you.

There's plenty more, and I'll add them later, bit by bit, but I wanted to get a start. I have begun threads to express my disappointment and anger at those that have drunk the kool-aid, so I thought I'd come here and express my joy and gratitude to those that are standing up for women. I hope this can become a long list!

And anyone's non-appearance on it doesn't mean they aren't wonderful or their work isn't appreciated, it just means they aren't known to me. This isn't a list of any in-crowd, and shouldn't be read as such. We're all doing what we can!

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SophoclesTheFox · 26/11/2017 18:59

Streetvoice is hilarious. More like him, please!

SophoclesTheFox · 26/11/2017 19:00

Streetvoice is hilarious. More like him, please!

cuirderussie · 26/11/2017 19:08

Streetvoice and Miranda Yardley make me nostalgic for the way non gender conforming men used to be (it's no coincidence that we're of roughly the same vintage). I don't want to be some old gimmer complaining about the young but I miss the HUMOUR of it and the not taking yourself too seriously. These po-faced little narcissistic shits like Lily and Travis and their #nodebate cheerleaders just depress me.

pisacake · 26/11/2017 19:09

yes even Eddie Izzard decided he was actually a superserious special snowflake gender fluid wankhead after all

AnyFucker · 26/11/2017 19:09

@therealposieparker you're back ! Flowers

BertrandRussell · 26/11/2017 19:10

I've been impressed by Jo Brand on a few things recently.......

AnyFucker · 26/11/2017 19:10

I agree cuirderussie

Sooo disappointed in Eddie Izzard. And more lately, Sam Smith.

FattyCat · 26/11/2017 19:22

cuirderussie Yup I am with you and am lucky to have a few GNC men in my life. There is no humor in this just anger.

Pissacake and AnyFucker Eddie Izzard .......went from bloke in a dress, action transvestite to "always was trans" in a week....WTF

AnyFucker · 26/11/2017 19:28

I know, Fatty.

He went from "this is a dress, my dress" to special snowflake "teenage girls have hurt me" bullshit

That properly pissed me off for some reason. Eddie could have been brilliant and he tossed it off.

pisacake · 26/11/2017 19:33

Ah well at least there are still some sensible people out there, in the, er, Daily Star:

www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz/662725/pantomime-uk-2017-The-Krankies-Christmas-threat-political-correctness
Millions of fans know Janette as cheeky schoolboy Wee Jimmy Krankie from her years on telly.

She said: “We’re a bit concerned about what’s happening today. Through our whole career I’ve played Jimmy Krankie, but now people might say, ‘Why are you doing that?’ I will just think, ‘Oh forget it’.

“Every day there’s something about boys wanting to dress as girls and girls wanting to dress as boys. It’s nothing new. It doesn’t mean to say there’s something wrong with their bodies.”

"Ian added: “People used to ask Janette why she dressed up as a little boy and she’d say, ‘Because it makes me a lot of money… stop asking stupid questions and get out of my face’."

Ian said: “The first thing they took out was a girl playing the principal boy. I remember in the late 80s they started complaining about that. The next thing we were told a man had to play that part.

Janette said: “I can imagine what they’ll try to do this year. The panto dame is probably going to get it this year.”

FattyCat · 26/11/2017 19:35

AnyFucker yeah I used to really love him.

Tossing it off probably sums him up really, probs autogynophellia.

ArcheryAnnie · 26/11/2017 19:35

Agree entirely with Rebecca Reilly-Cooper - her "Sex and gender - a beginner's guide" is amazing. And she's just fantastic on twitter and on speaking out, and everything. Thank you, Rebecca.

And also on twitter, being fantastic, persistent, supportive to other women, and angry: Bo Novak and Jsoosty. Thank you so much.

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AnyFucker · 26/11/2017 19:39

Great thread, Annie

ArcheryAnnie · 26/11/2017 20:00

Thanks, AnyFucker!

Also y/y to Suzanne Moore - I think she was possibly the canary in the coalmine, got hauled over the coals before anyone else in the current wave of trans activism.

And Germaine Greer. One of the many, many brilliant things about Germaine Greer is trying to imagine her giving a fuck about trans activists trying to diss her on social media.

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VeniVidiVickiQV · 26/11/2017 22:10

Great thread

BertrandRussell · 26/11/2017 23:41

Archery, have you heard Greer talking to Kirsty Walk on the subject in about 2015?

TalkingintheDark · 27/11/2017 00:29

Brilliant thread. My thanks too to all those mentioned here - it was the Primark changing rooms thread a couple of years ago that alerted me to what was going on so thank you to all those who posted on there (and were getting shouted down big time back then), special shout out to HermioneWeasley who was one of them but I haven't seen around for ages now.

And of course Datun and Empress and all the others who keep the home fires burning - and has anyone yet mentioned Woman @XXCharleyUchea on Twitter? One of the first people I followed on there. Love her.

EBearhug · 27/11/2017 00:56

Cordelia Fine and Gina Rippon and Daphna Joel, for writing about neuroscience in ways we can all understand.

Plus so many above. And my mother for bringing me up with books like the Female Eunuch around, and telling me about the Suffragettes and so on, because I might not have bothered reading any of the rest of it without that upbringing.

EmpressOfTheSpartacusOceans · 27/11/2017 06:15

Everybody mentioned and also the latest Times journalist to be in there fighting for us - Lucy Bannerman.

bambambini · 27/11/2017 06:52

“Hilarious that some on the terf's list are men confused”

Jesse Singal was beating about the ignorance/unfairness of Terf blocker lists the other day on twitter - only because he’s on them! 😂 It’s not about how evil terfs are being treated/threstened/silenced - no. It’s because TAs have dared call him a TERF. Numpty - many in the trans community hate him.

Sunkisses · 27/11/2017 07:57

Germaine Greer and Julie Bindel for spotting all this crap years ago, and taking crap for it over years and year. Julie is a tireless campaigner for women

Massive shoutout for whoever the women were who got all the single-sex exemptions into the Equality Act 2010 (yes, I know they are not being used effectively, but what foresight to have got them all in then, and we now have something to work with now).

@Datun too, for such thoughtful posts on here, and even finding time to respond to DMs.

All those women who're busy organising public meetings in their communities, ready for the consultation.

Kiri Tunks, of the NUT, for her brilliant Sex Matters article in the Morning Star: www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-c509-Sex-matters

And Janice Turner's fearless journalism.

CAAKE · 27/11/2017 08:31

Yes, what a great idea @ArcheryAnnie

There are lots of feminist writers and campaigners I've learned about through MN, but my biggest thank you goes to @Datun.

ArcheryAnnie · 27/11/2017 10:29

Currently cheering at Lucy Bannerman on twitter, who is being absolutely magnificent in standing up to attacks from Little Owen Jones and Roz Kaveney, and Little Owen and Roz are looking ridiculous. Thank you, Lucy!

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Elendon · 27/11/2017 11:06

Basically, transwomen allege that transwomen do not rape.

Which is not true.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/transgender-rapist-womens-prison-segregation-sexual-advances-inmates-sexual-assualt-a7932866.html

The link above is regarding Martin Pointing jailed in 1995 for the rape of two young girls

genderidentitywatch.com/2017/09/07/jessica-winfield-a-k-a-martin-ponting-u-k/

fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prisoners

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2015/01/08/terf-tracker-allison-woolbert-outed-as-violent-sex-offender-resigns-citing-his-unconscionable-behavior-as-a-human-being/

And Shon Faye on abusive rapists like Pointing who become transwomen.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/transgender-prisons-jessica-winfield-gender-recognition-act-a7940561.html

Pointing is the tip of the iceberg. Many thanks to all those who expose transwomen who are rapist. Try putting it into a search engine and you will find only Pointing's name - who seems to have been thrown under the bus.