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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lily Madigan, TIM, elected Labour women's officer

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jMillicentFawcett · 20/11/2017 05:17

Lily is 19. Lily was instrumental in the hate campaign against Anne Ruzylo which resulted in her standing down.

You have to be a woman to be women’s officer but ‘The Labour councillor said that “lived experience as a woman” should be considered an advantage — but not a prerequisite — for the role of women’s officer.’

Lily could also have gone for the LGBT officer role but they didn’t want that. No, they wanted to show women that they can shit all over them and we will applaud them for doing it.

I’m absolutely furious about this ( as you can probably tell)

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-teenager-lily-madigan-voted-in-as-a-labour-women-s-officer-mwchkhzq8?shareToken=472df23aa6315582a4f6558d7a1be5ba

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CAAKE · 22/11/2017 15:03

It's just one big old paradox isn't it!

"I'm not who I was but I'm who I've authentically always been forever and ever."

Elendon · 22/11/2017 15:10

So this Woman's Officer has previously posted online, which cannot be eradicated an horrendous meme regarding Savile?

Has photos depicting faux blow job movement online, one which includes a child's toy.

I was once a Woman's Officer in a Labour CLP and if those photos had ever emerged of me, then I would have been dismissed immediately (and rightly so).

MillicentFawcett · 22/11/2017 15:17

The irony of Madigan pointing our to LPHQ that nothing on the internet ever truly goes away in his shit stirring tweet about Anne Ruzylo is not lost on me.

ArcheryAnnie · 22/11/2017 15:18

Oh, the old "it was the distress as not being able to live as my True Authentic Self that made me do this [insert horrible and/or criminal thing here]! Also I am a completely different person, entirely different, see I have a different name and wear different clothes and everything, so it's wrong to link [horrible thing] done by that person to me. Except I have always been this way, even when I was completely different."

Oldthinkers unbellyfeel Ingsoc.

iseenodust · 22/11/2017 15:24

Lily has deleted the content of the Liam twitter account but it has not been deleted by Twitter - that brings up a Twitter corporate message. To see what he had there take a look at one of the Twitter accounts that tweeted a screenshot of the Liam account.

iseenodust · 22/11/2017 15:27

Unless of course the person who allegedly wanted to bully the young person known as Liam is now a friend and has taken the action in support of Lily's political ambition.

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2017 15:27

Lily Madigan wants to be the first transgender MP.

Lily Madigan lives in Rochester and Strood if I'm not mistaken? That's Rochester and Strood that elected Mark Reckless as a kipper. Unless parachuted into another seat, I suspect Lily will have an uphill struggle to be elected.

hackmum · 22/11/2017 15:49

Lily wouldn't have to stand in Rochester and Strood, though.

In some areas, Labour is insisting on all-women shortlists to select candidates. I suspect this may be behind Lily's sudden self-identification as a woman.

pisacake · 22/11/2017 21:13

here's the local rag, dutifully trotting out Lily's latest excuse.

www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/transgender-labour-womens-officer-rochester-817234

this time he's decided that this was actually totally created by his brother, and it's just proof of how maligned and persecuted and alienated he is from his beastly homophobic, racist (sorry, what?), transphobic family.

no word on whether this is going to the police, as previously promised.

nauticant · 22/11/2017 21:20

The problem with:

I've never had control of the account which Labour requested be deleted.

is that the account doesn't seem to have been deleted but has in fact been stripped of content to nullify it. Odd that without any control of the account this could have happened.

cromeyellow0 · 22/11/2017 21:26

From the article linked by pisacake:
Speaking about finally being recognised as a woman, she said: "It is very validating ..."

What a narcissist! I actually feel sorry for the guy, he's hardly the first 19-year-old to be self-obssessed and to do stupid things. This publicity also locks him into the trans identity, it will be very hard for him now to desist if he has doubts.

Sentimentallentil · 22/11/2017 21:57

"I’m in the door and I’m trying my best to inspire fellow trans-women but at the same time I’m learning as I go."

Great. Just want women need.

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2017 22:18

"My family and me don’t get on for a number of reasons including a general transphobic/homophobic/racist attitude held by some members and this account was just a manifestation of that.

Its never anything to do with my behaviour. Its everyone else who is against me.

The more I read about Lily's family, the more I wonder just what their experience and side of the story really is. You'll never hear this though. There is a reason for this and its not healthy, I suspect.

"I’m in the door and I’m trying my best to inspire fellow trans-women but at the same time I’m learning as I go."

Not trying to inspire women who are 'exactly the same'? Why only transwomen? That's kind of point is where the doublethink demonstrates itself best. Its not about women at all. He's not interested in promoting women as a whole. They are lesser and secondary to his ambition and objectives.

PencilsInSpace · 22/11/2017 22:29

I have very little knowledge of this Twitter account's content.

Well refresh your knowledge you lying prick, it was mostly you doing a blow job face and being racist.

"While I don’t agree with Anne personally, I don’t think we should disregard her opinion and I would encourage her to voice it in a comradely fashion

Yeah fuck off Lily you liar.

OlennasWimple · 22/11/2017 22:30

According to the article, it contains a profile picture of an unidentifiable boy.

Er no, that is very identifiable as Liam Madigan Hmm

Sentimentallentil · 22/11/2017 22:39

‘Comradely fashion’ Hmm

OlennasWimple · 22/11/2017 22:39

Well, I guess it is possible that the account was set up by Lily's brother (who is clearly @connorsmurfy - the family resemblance is uncanny - which would tie into the Connor's Phone mention in the bio section)

And it is possible that it was set up to make Lily's life uncomfortable, probably because Connor was having trouble having a gay, effeminate big brother. And there's clearly no love lost between Lily and the rest of the family.

But... None of this excuses the way that Lily treated Anne, and we shouldn't let that be overlooked (although it seems to be part of the Momentum MO, to bully sitting post holders out)

iseenodust · 22/11/2017 22:40

Can't name the unidentifiable boy as Liam as that is no longer their preferred moniker and they would be down to the solicitor's again.

Sentimentallentil · 22/11/2017 22:46

This deadnaming stuff is such a minefield.

and yet I still get post sent to me in my husbands name, which I have never even had.

OlennasWimple · 22/11/2017 22:49

iseenodust

Bring it on

I don't see it as any different to when I changed my name when I got married. Or when my DD's name got changed when we adopted her. The name change marks an important event in our lives, it doesn't erase what went before that event.

I'm probably a big fat TERFy TERF committing literal violence by saying it. I'm happy in most cases to use current preferred pronouns and names - so I will refer to Lily as Lily now. But I won't pretend that there was never a boy called Liam Madigan.

iseenodust · 22/11/2017 22:55

Olennas Not taking issue you with you doing so. Just speculating why the webpage chose "unidentifiable". I agree that child existed.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 22/11/2017 22:56

It's such obvious bollocks that that was set up by his brother. Because if a homophobic younger brother set up a twitter profile obviously it would be called 'Liam is a big gay @ I am gay.com' etc etc etc. And it isn't.

Does he honestly think he can get away with that outright lie? His first week in office isn't going overly well is it?

RedToothBrush · 22/11/2017 22:58

Its an erasing of your past.

So how exactly does that work for your siblings, who have that shared history?

Not psychologically mind fucking at all. especially if those siblings are younger and still children.

Just y'know, saying...

But yes, its ALL about Lily.

Fairyflaps · 22/11/2017 23:09

According to this, his younger sister, who was at the same school when Lily decided to transition, was very upset by it.

pisacake · 22/11/2017 23:14

"And it is possible that it was set up to make Lily's life uncomfortable, probably because Connor was having trouble having a gay, effeminate big brother. And there's clearly no love lost between Lily and the rest of the family.
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Not sure about all of that. A look through their Facebook's and at the time they were on family holidays, Liam and Connor going to the cinema together, normal stuff really. And Liam just looks like a boy, not effeminate at all. He just seems to have 'come out' as a teenage drama thing.

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