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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

UK submission to UN - "whatabout the pregnant men?"

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pisacake · 22/10/2017 11:42

The text as proposed by the UN:

"Although States parties may adopt measures designed to regulate terminations of pregnancy, such measures must not result in violation of the right to life of a pregnant woman or her other rights under the Covenant, including the prohibition against cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment or punishment. . Thus, any legal restrictions on the ability of women to seek abortion must not, inter alia, jeopardize their lives or subject them to physical or mental pain or suffering which violates article 7. States parties must provide safe access to abortion to protect the life and health of pregnant women, and in situations in which carrying a pregnancy to term would cause the woman substantial pain or suffering,"

and continues in similar vein

The UK's submission:
www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/CCPR/GCArticle6/UnitedKingdom.pdf

" We note that in using the term “pregnant woman” the Committee may be inadvertently restricting the application of this paragraph to exclude transgender people who have given birth; this has happened in two recent cases in the UK."

This is rather confusing language. If they are not, in the context of that sentence, 'pregnant women', then surely the appropriate sentence, by elimination, is 'pregnant men' "exclude transgender men who have given birth; this has happened in two recent cases in the UK.""

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Datun · 25/10/2017 09:53

Yes, I like TIM. It’s a much better description. TIM and TIF.

Beingrippedoff · 25/10/2017 15:10

It's confusing the way terminology changes so much. From transwoman, to MTF, to MTT and now TIM. 😬

dancerdog · 25/10/2017 16:00

Sorry, I could never remember when just so that I can be clear, is a TIM - trans identified male - a biological male? I could never figure out what MTT meant either.

nauticant · 25/10/2017 16:09

TIM - man's name (short for Timothy).
TIF - woman's name (short for Tiffany).

It works quite well as an aide-mémoire.

Terrylene · 25/10/2017 16:23

MTT = male to trans

It is very confusing - when there was a lot of 'transwomen are women' about I thought it meant women who were transitioning, ie, transmen/FTT/TIF. Because it makes sense to me. Only I was wrong Hmm

badbadhusky · 25/10/2017 18:12

Indominus - that post! 🙄

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