UK submission to UN - "whatabout the pregnant men?"

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The text as proposed by the UN:

"Although States parties may adopt measures designed to regulate terminations of pregnancy, such measures must not result in violation of the right to life of a pregnant woman or her other rights under the Covenant, including the prohibition against cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment or punishment. . Thus, any legal restrictions on the ability of women to seek abortion must not, inter alia, jeopardize their lives or subject them to physical or mental pain or suffering which violates article 7. States parties must provide safe access to abortion to protect the life and health of pregnant women, and in situations in which carrying a pregnancy to term would cause the woman substantial pain or suffering,"

and continues in similar vein

The UK's submission:
www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/CCPR/GCArticle6/UnitedKingdom.pdf

" We note that in using the term “pregnant woman” the Committee may be inadvertently restricting the application of this paragraph to exclude transgender people who have given birth; this has happened in two recent cases in the UK."

This is rather confusing language. If they are not, in the context of that sentence, 'pregnant women', then surely the appropriate sentence, by elimination, is 'pregnant men' "exclude transgender men who have given birth; this has happened in two recent cases in the UK.""

pretending to be a van

I guess that person would see themselves as a transit.

The O'Neill article is great but he says these changes could lead to women getting scholarships and political quotas etc. Pity he diesn't know about that Jo (forgot name?) mentor program appointing that married man with kids who just transitioned

I've never seen Loose Women, but some of their Twitter followers sure as hell can cut through the crap on this one.

*sorry, transwomen getting women's scholarships etc

And why do we never hear about gentleman clitorises? Or be told that men can have vaginas and that prostate examinations are trans exclusionary?

Ages ago I put a prostate cancer charity ad up on Twitter & asked if it was transphobic. Never did get a proper answer.

It'd love to know what Eton would do with an application from a trans child.

Thing about the absurd manufactured outrage over 'pregnant people' is that its a discussion which genuinely doesnt concern trans women

Interesting how women and trans men are of no concern then. It's been noted before on here that trans men get totally sidelined in extreme trans activism.

I enjoyed 'when is the show being renamed Loose People' too

"Thing about the absurd manufactured outrage over 'pregnant people' is that its a discussion which genuinely doesnt concern trans women"

Glad to hear it. As a non trans woman it does concern me, though. A lot.

Quick brain dump. I don't have, and don't want children. I've agonised over this in the past and thought there must be something wrong with me, and I will admit that it did make me feel less of a woman (in that I have been so socialised to expect that woman=mother). I've also realised that I would be much more keen to have kids if I could be a dad and not have a) the pregnancy and b) the expectations that mothers face. Which is why I cannot for one second believe that this is being driven by transmen. No one who is that dysphoric about being a woman that a word could trigger them would choose to go through pregnancy, childbirth, breastfeeding, etc, even if the end goal was to be a 'dad' rather than a 'mum'.

rex

I suspect that’s why there’s only been two of them.

One doesn’t hear from transmen, because half the cohort don’t have AGP.

The half of the male cohort who aren’t AGP don’t care about any of this either.

It’s coming from the men who are desperate to be women, and who fetishise women’s biology.

Those same men who find conversations about abortion, miscarriage and breastfeeding ‘triggering’.

No normal person gets genuinely triggered by something that doesn’t apply to them. It can’t be exclusionary, you can’t be excluded from something that would never be applicable to you. Unless, it absolutely kills you with every fibre of your being, because you fetishise it.

Datun - like the ones whining over the weekend that #metoo excluded them because they haven't been sexually harassed.

Interesting how women and trans men are of no concern then. It's been noted before on here that trans men get totally sidelined in extreme trans activism

Nicely underscores the imbalance, though. Our feminism must centre transwomen’s needs and views, always, lest we be branded transphobes. Our needs and views? “Like we could care less!” Which is fine by me - it exposes the underlying misogyny for what it is.

Rex
" like the ones whining over the weekend that #metoo excluded them because they haven't been sexually harassed."

Noooo! Do you have a link. FFS, mental

Assigned - I saw screenshots on fb and twitter, will try and find links!

I saw an interview with one of the FTT who has given birth. She sounded perfectly sane (leaving aside the gender dysphoria) and acknowledged her biology, but wishes to identify as male. So, unless the other 'man' who has given birth is the most strident and successful campaigner ever, I doubt any of this is coming from the two of them. It's a toxic combination of TRA craziness and misguided would-be progressives in the public sector unthinkingly pushing a misogynist agenda.

I was really heartened to see the comments on the Loose Women tweet. It's easy to forget that 99% of the population are completely unaware of this, but when they are made aware they see it for how ridiculous is is.

"Loose People"

It's easy to forget that 99% of the population are completely unaware of this, but when they are made aware they see it for how ridiculous is is

The problem is that a lot of women's rights will be given away before most people wake up to the threat and we'll then have to spend 3 decades regaining the rights that women spent the last 30 years fighting to obtain.

I'm pleased to see the tabloids and DM making a fuss because our best hope is that the Tories get scared of a backlash to the GRA.

But it concerns women and aren't trans women, women?

Only when it suits.

Found one link. Will keep looking for the others.

twitter.com/womanisourword/status/922354824594763776

Someone on a thread the other day made a really great point re Tory backlash - the unpopularity of mixed hospital wards. I think this is a good line for us to push.

Plus any time anyone tweets stats about anything that has sex categories point out how these statistics will be rendered meaningless by self identification.

rex

Unbelievable

Who ever knew being sexually harassed/assulted was basically a badge of honor

Yeah thats what we need. Someone who thinks they are doing us an actual favour in our "safe spaces"

And we are worried about pissing them all off enough to remove women from being an actual word we can use

It’s not just the #metoo campaign that is exclusionary and an example of ‘cis privilege’.