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I've scrolled back a few pages and I can't even find the last pub thread.

So I've taken the beer towels off the pumps, tapped a new barrel, polished the glasses, fed the goat and applied brasso to the patriarchy busting canon.

Come and join me - all tastes catered for - beer, gin, wine, cocktails, coffee and a nice cup of tea.

Phew, out of meetings and now would like some vodka before starting the rest of the evening's work!!

thanks Blanche, I will look those up at home. I'm an atheist with no interest in religion really, it's just it struck me - after talking to a churchgoing friend - that a women only religion is something even I could get on with board with and then I heard about Dianic wicca - but couldn't find much information at all.

btw someone mentioned a thread, not on the Feminist board, about a teacher - saying it was highlighting the trans problem outside of here - I have had a look but can't find anything? If anyone can link I'd be grateful.

glugs down virtual vodka

right, back to work....

RosaTheOwl

Is it this one? I mentioned it upthread. Because if it is, its bloody hard work.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3086541-To-think-suspending-the-teacher-was-extreme

Quite good thread on AIBU here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3087905-To-think-STUFF-should-be-gender-neutral-not-PEOPLE

Like Rosa I have literally had literal meetings (technical subjects) literally all day. My head is a bit mashed. Glass of wine for the train home! And catching up on what I've missed on mumsnet.

Stopmakingsense

That’s your thread and the thread I mentioned, both on AIBU.

How can people be agreeing to your thread, and disagreeing on the one I’m on?

Don’t they connect the dots?

Hello all!

Have only dipped in and out over the past weeks, too much annoying work getting in the way.

Is it just me, or is the board going through one of its periodic phases where it's incredibly difficult to post about actual feminism, without some hideous derailing whataboutery? Do I need to dust off the bingo card again? Eyes down for a full house

I've noticed we are "allowed" to discuss trans issues, anything else and men pop on to tell us why we are wrong. So tedious.

Struggling today with the "poor men can't even talk to a woman without being accused of harassment" bollocks. I'm fed up. Have been harassed so much and sexually assaulted several times, yet men still have a fucking victim complex. Its upsetting me. More gin please.

Quentin

Im fed up too. Same reasons.

Am organising a meeting in Edinburgh v soon to organise response to consultation on GRA in Scotland. Thnking about things like preparing info packs for MSPs with stuff from SAGES etc and getting appointments with MSPs. It feels weird organising a women only meeting is all so clandestine. And I'm not a regular poster here. If you are interested, message me. I tweet a lot on gender critical stuff so maybe I can give you my twitter name. Mumsnet is a great source of calm rational info and sound critical thinking. Thanks.

RunningWild12

I agree with the ridiculous ‘French resistance’ nature of having to organise in secret.

I’m nowhere near Edinburgh, but if you roll this out, can you let me know if it’s comes down south?

Its brilliant that you’re being active. Thanks.

Well, I raised the subject at work; I feel like a heretic now and am considering resigning from my role in the context I mentioned it. Discussion afterwards from sympathetic male colleague, but I am a bit shocked I think at the defensiveness of a female colleague (I was raising it as an issue, nothing else) at me expressing my concerns.

It was my first foray into mentioning it in public, and it was not a good experience. Why do my experiences and feelings as a woman count for so little?

I am not going to say more for fear of outing myself, but I am not sure I can continue the role I mentioned it as an issue in. I need to consider if I am over-reacting.

You are not over reacting Tired. I am about to bring the topic up in a work situation too. One thing that definitely helps, I hope is that I work in an environment which works on evidence based practice. Thanks to you lot, I am well prepared (and a long term, old school, old radfem, forced out of retirement by this ). Take heart from the patience and eloquence demonstrated here on the various threads. We gain nothing by losing our shit makes note to self
and everything by maintaining the calm exterior. People are waking up to this. Slowly.

I realise people might not want to out themselves but I'm wondering if any posters who have mentioned it at work have done so because of changes to toilets.

that's a concern at my workplace - i.e. rumours that they are thinking making some gender netural, the kind that are not fully enclosed.

In my case Rosa, no. I work with potentially vulnerable young people and the professional code of ethics guides us. We can steer the course of the profession by putting out position papers for consultation. The meeting to which I refer, is a step in that direction.

it's only 20 past 10 in the morning - any bar staff about?

I'd like a vodka to toast Jana Novotna, who passed away at just 49!

and after reading that, I found out it's Transgender Day of Remembrance. Fuck's sake.

I found out it's Transgender Day of Remembrance.

What? Where did you hear this. God I'm in a foul mood because of this shit

actually I'd like to retract that comment about the day of remembrance

I am just so pissed off with the TRAs, I saw the word "transgender" and got annoyed.

'Transgender Day of Remembrance (TDOR) is an annual observance on November 20 that honors the memory of those whose lives were lost in acts of anti-transgender violence'

It is very difficult to say anything against this really.

Although I would like to just ask when the Women's Day of Remembrance is for the two women a week who are murdered, usually as a result of domestic violence, I know this would be in bad taste. Because I don't think there is a Day of Remembrance either for people with disabilities who have died as a result of hate, either. Or for people of color, ditto. And it is bad form to have a discussion about who deserves a day of remembrance more, so I will just take this opportunity to say that I believe in peace and goodwill and an end to violence all round.

Any idea how I can counter this argument on a thread I mad eon another forum?

I’ve already started on the - too much reading of pathetic, uncritical, unthinking, unintelligent twitter posts by TRAs and their acolytes.

This is the biggest single threat to the safeguards built up over decades that give women and girls protected spaces. Depressing how many apparently decent people are still arguing that the emperor’s new clothes are the best ever

I shall have a ginger ale (had some sort of ghastly tummy bug for the last couple of days, hoping the ginger will settle my stomach).

Just in case anyone missed it, there's a Guardian article about JoB's recent blatant misogyny - AND THE COMMENTS ARE CURRENTLY OPEN!!

can't find the article

Bat, I can't help with feminist academia things but the sad thing is the answer to all that is just - biology?