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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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PricklyBall · 16/10/2017 21:02

I've scrolled back a few pages and I can't even find the last pub thread.

So I've taken the beer towels off the pumps, tapped a new barrel, polished the glasses, fed the goat and applied brasso to the patriarchy busting canon.

Come and join me - all tastes catered for - beer, gin, wine, cocktails, coffee and a nice cup of tea.

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Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 19/10/2017 22:20

Wait what....

NeverEverAnythingEver · 19/10/2017 22:26

Exactly.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 19/10/2017 22:29

never

Grin
7Days · 19/10/2017 22:56

That thread is so frustrating.
'Its a sad world when a man can't even say Good Morning to a woman' they can't really believe it .
In other news I'm grumpy as Fuck cos I've got the worst period in years, the cat has fleas, dh was away for work and unexpectedly and didn't organise child care for when I was at work.
Got into a massive row with a prick on red dot. Serves him right the fucker. But I don't normally do that and it shakes me I'm a wimp though

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 19/10/2017 23:03

Im about to punch my husband

I honestly cannot believe that he goes from feminist ally to twat in the space of a day

Just as well he's cute

CuntAmongstThePigeons · 19/10/2017 23:05

Please can I join? I've been lurking in the beer garden outside for a while, but it's pretty cold and I'd love a hot drink. Is it too early for a mulled wine?

ErrolTheDragon · 19/10/2017 23:24

Hot drink sound like a good idea. BrewWine?

MillicentFawcett · 19/10/2017 23:33

I typed several ranty posts on that thread and then deleted them. Swearing at people is not good. Blush

I'd like a very large brandy please

CocoaIsGone · 20/10/2017 07:13

Not sure I have the heart for that thread, tbh.

My department is mostly men, to the extent they have realised it is an issue. I have had the insidious sexism of dumping work on me which is less important and more time-consuming, the not being credited, the being ignored in meetings, not invited to the working lunches, all those things.

But then I have also had, when under extreme personal stress, a male colleague excuse me from a meeting, listen to me for an hour, get me coffee till I felt better; another colleague adjust my workload to deal with said stress; all the reasonable adjustments I need around childcare as a lone parent; as well as a belated recognition that I need time to focus on tasks which are seen as valuable for the sake of my career (making this point for a couple of years). Still not been invited to the working lunches, but then I don’t have time to go.

Fortunately there has been no-one, male or female, telling me that none of these things were feminist issues (aside from lefty male brocialist). Or colleagues feel like they could not say good morning.

CocoaIsGone · 20/10/2017 07:16

Though I need to add the ‘reasonable adjustments’ have come with being more senior. When DD was little, I got through with very little sleep, and hugely creative childcare solutions. I am simply too tired for that now.

BeyondNoone · 20/10/2017 08:42

Thanks for all the love ♥️♥️

Rufus, weirdly my period came yesterday too. Especially weird as I have a mirena and they're very infrequent. Must be the bodyform thread!!
What's your DP done?

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 20/10/2017 12:13

Deffo the bodyform thread

Right so sometimes he is on point with what i am saying, sometimes he 'requires' proof or statistics or whatever ( analytical job so i can see where is coming from)

But apparently, fuck me, apparently!!

Its queen victoria and queen elizabeth 1 who are to blame for women's rights not being awesome

I said that women have been politely asking for hundreds of years to have equal rights but nooooooo...we obviously have been quite happy being subservient (as a class...)

Aaaggggghhh, there was a lot of swearing involved from me and that was hard as i was trying to be extra nice to him all evening

He doesnt even know who elizabeth the 1st dad was!!!!!!

BeyondNoone · 20/10/2017 12:22

Umm, people are products of their time, you doughnut. If you plonked Germaine Greer in the sixteenth century, I doubt she would have solved millenia of oppression in one simple discussion either! (No offence GG - I have no doubt you would try!)

This sounds like the caveperson discussion I had with DS yesterday. Except he is seven! (And knows who Henry VIII was too 😂)

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 20/10/2017 12:23

beyond

I know!!!

Trouble is he will have forgotten the whole thing now

And im sat here planning the divorce Grin

BeyondNoone · 20/10/2017 12:27

Argh, that looks too much like it is aimed at you and not doughnutDH, sorry!! Grin Wine

My own DH has gone to the chemist to get me suppositories. "But what if they think they're for me?" 🙄

Ereshkigal · 20/10/2017 21:40

Its queen victoria and queen elizabeth 1 who are to blame for women's rights not being awesome

Whut now? That's certainly a unique view!

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 20/10/2017 21:47

Well apparently they should have done something about it when they were in power

Honestly!!

I shouldn't yell at him but seriously...

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 20/10/2017 21:47

How is everyone tonight any way?

Hope you are all well

CocoaIsGone · 20/10/2017 22:06

Well, rufus he raises an interesting point. The counter argument was that Rome was not built in a day. During Queen Victoria’s reign, married women won the right to keep their own property and earnings, women won the right to vote in local elections, men could be imprisoned for beating up their wives (they seldom were, mind you); women began to access higher education and the professions, as well as state funded primary education.

So, if you look at the great mass of historical time, some of the most important foundations for women’s equal education, professional and political participation were laid in Victoria’s time.

Plus, it was a parliamentary democracy; by nature, this means that Parliament makes the laws, and MPs were men elected by men. Victoria could only have made laws by dismissing parliament! So she could have said women should have the vote, but that would have had no constitutional power whatsoever. As the constitutional power was held by men.

Cannot speak for Elizabeth I, but it is the case that women could vote prior to the 1832 Reform Act, they seldom did as they were expected to vote with their husbands. The 1832 Act limited it to ‘male’ franchise.

Okay, Queen Elizabeth 1 - I shall say that prior to the industrial revolution, men and women worked more closely together, women owned businesses too, and the greater separation of the sexes came after the 18th century. So Elizabeth I did not see equality like we do today.

Sorted.

CocoaIsGone · 20/10/2017 22:08

Sorry, I was musing out loud here, about why he is wrong, I know I don’t need to tell you all that. I will shut up and have a gin, please!

CocoaIsGone · 20/10/2017 22:10

equality= inequality
Between the sexes, I mean, in Elizabeth’s time, it would have been between the rich and poor, though.
Definitely shutting up now!

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 20/10/2017 22:14

cocoal

Grin

I think he was expecting victoria to have sorted the whole thing

ErrolTheDragon · 20/10/2017 22:37

Queen Victoria helped squash the notion that women were meant to suffer in childbirth (cos of eve) and shouldn't use newfangled methods of pain relief. The sort of advance a bloke might not give much weight to, I guess?

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 20/10/2017 22:42

See.....so she was doing loads of stuff

Stupid dh...even dd knew henry the 8th was her dad

And she rarely pays attention

Ereshkigal · 20/10/2017 22:42

And what I want to know is why Edward II didn't sort out LGBTQ rights?

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