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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Can Having Genital Preferences for Dating Mean You’re Anti-Trans?

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secular111 · 12/10/2017 21:25

From Everyday Feminism - though I still reckon the site is a satire site.

everydayfeminism.com/2017/04/cissexist-say-never-date-trans/

Anyway, in summary - basically if you don't date trans folk, you are 'cissexist'.

'So if we look a little deeper into this issue, there’s the possibility of your genital preferences being at least somewhat partially informed by growing up in a cissexist society. There’s also the fact that a preference is different than saying you would never do something.'

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Datun · 29/11/2017 08:31

Is there a male equivalent term for TERF? I’ve seen “punch a terf” etc, and I can’t help but think TRAs would be less likely to spout this shit towards a man.

If you ask this question you will be told that yes, of course a man can be a terf. If he acts like a terf.

But when any man does, strangely, the backlash is fairly lukewarm, if any.

They know they can’t bully other men in the same way. They know that bullying man doesn’t give them the same frisson. They don’t want anything from men so they’re a bit meh if men don’t like it.

AlternativeTentacle · 29/11/2017 08:39

Decent, nice men wouldn't dream of violating women's boundaries, intimidating them or making feel uncomfortable. So what are you left with?

Thank you. Perfect summary of the situation.

LangCleg · 29/11/2017 09:28

But when any man does, strangely, the backlash is fairly lukewarm, if any.

My husband is voluble about this and about as tactful as an erupting volcano. Never gets a teeny tiny word of comeback. And he's also pro-Corbyn and leftist, so he interacts with plenty of people who'd be straight down the throat of any woman who ventured far, far less than he does.

Datun · 29/11/2017 09:32

LangCleg

Fucking unbelievable. It’s just pure misogyny.

I actually think my brain is now wired to light up like a Christmas tree at the smallest, most minuscule, hint of a barely perceptible whiff of misogyny.

It’s like a superhero power.

FattyCat · 29/11/2017 10:10

Mrs Terry Pratchett

That is spot on - all female sexual preferences including being a lesbian are seen as for the titillation of men)

(Runs to get smelling salts)

Blanchefleur · 29/11/2017 11:59

Is there a male equivalent term for TERF? I’ve seen “punch a terf” etc, and I can’t help but think TRAs would be less likely to spout this shit towards a man.

My DH is a very vocal and politically active leftist who mixes in similar circles, just like your DH LangCleg. However, up until now, my DH had totally swallowed the Kool-Aid, and used to mutter comments about 'being on the right side of history', equating trans demands with gay rights, and doing an awful lot of apartheid-related straw-manning.

TBH, I think he hadn't questioned it at all and just accepted that this was the 'right' opinion to have. He is totally bemused by the fact that I (also left-wing) and his mother (staunch Tory) are both in agreement for once (!). Even our 14 year old son has been gender-critical from the start, and has helpfully pointed out to him that 'Dad, if you have a willy, you're a bloke' Grin.

Anyway...thanks to recommendations on here, I put 'Delusions of Gender' by Cordelia Fine on my Christmas list, and I know he has bought it. This morning, I noticed that he had posted his first ever gender-critical (albeit carefully worded as a question) Facebook post! So far, no responses. I am REALLY curious to see how his friends (who include at least one TIM) will react!

Datun · 29/11/2017 12:51

I am REALLY curious to see how his friends (who include at least one TIM) will react!

Frankly, it’s often the reaction one gets which makes one question further. Because the ideology does not stand up.

As soon as someone starts to argue in favour of it, they are all over the place.

Even in quite courteous exchanges, invariably, eventually it just comes down to well you shouldn’t be mean, it’s no skin off your nose.

There IS no rational argument for pretending sex doesn’t exist. Unless you have a very good reason why you want it to not exist. And the only question is what is that reason?

LangCleg · 29/11/2017 13:01

Let us know how he gets on Blanchefleur! If he's at all tentative, he'll probably get some "kindly" condescending posts aiming to re-educate him.

I think nobody says anything to my husband because he is very, well, masculine about it. Like a bull in a china shop really...

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