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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Can Having Genital Preferences for Dating Mean You’re Anti-Trans?

108 replies

secular111 · 12/10/2017 21:25

From Everyday Feminism - though I still reckon the site is a satire site.

everydayfeminism.com/2017/04/cissexist-say-never-date-trans/

Anyway, in summary - basically if you don't date trans folk, you are 'cissexist'.

'So if we look a little deeper into this issue, there’s the possibility of your genital preferences being at least somewhat partially informed by growing up in a cissexist society. There’s also the fact that a preference is different than saying you would never do something.'

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Datun · 13/10/2017 17:11

Being a transwoman is characterised by either misogyny, delusion, or hating your own body.

And now, lately, a spectacularly arrogant entitlement to sex.

Them trying to claim that it's transphobia is really missing the mark.

And it must be unbelievably counter-productive. The more they force the issue the quicker their dating pool vanishes.

MagdalenLaundry · 13/10/2017 17:21

Owen Jones must be a trabsphobe with his same sex attraction

HornyTortoise · 13/10/2017 19:17

Owen Jones must be a trabsphobe with his same sex attraction

No thats entirely different. Its fine for gay men to be gay men. Its only lesbians that there is a problem with. As Owen pointed out himself by calling lesbians transphobic for refusing to suck dick, then going on to say how vile and homophobic it was for anyone to suggest he partakes in a bit of cunnilingus Hmm

Ereshkigal · 13/10/2017 19:51

Amongst the worst hot takes I've seen are the ones saying "those lesbians who say they don't want penis better not be using dildos!!!!"

YY. That argument is also used against women who object to the creation of female bodied robots as a rape roleplay object men can indulge their hatred of women with. Misogynists gotta misogyny.

FuckShitJackFairy · 15/10/2017 07:49

There's no such thing as sexual or genital preferences, there is sexual orientation.

Twisting words and meanings is part of brainwashing and gaslighting.

Datun · 15/10/2017 08:27

You're right jack. It's a subtle difference. It's not about genitals, it's about the fact that they're men.

exexpat · 15/10/2017 09:46

Has anyone read this blog about the 'cotton ceiling' by a transwoman (who still has a penis) complaining that cis-lesbians don't want to have sex with them?

And in the very same blog post says that they are most attracted to cis-women: "I like and/or have dated, men, women, tranwomen, transmen, lesbians, bisexuals, and other pansexuals. Cis women always seem to come out on the top of the heap though. The look and feel of their bodies is just plain magical."

Well, yes. That is presumably why lesbians are lesbians and want to sleep with actual biological women rather than transwomen...

"Cis gender lesbians do…not…want…us. [...] They resist the penis. The penis to them is the Devil. Anything having to do with penises, they unequivocally oppose, regardless of whether it is exclusionary or irrational."

So somehow it's OK for this particular transwoman to prefer female-bodied people, but totally prejudiced for lesbians to prefer female-bodied people.

I wish I could believe this blog post was satire, but it really isn't.

Ereshkigal · 15/10/2017 10:14

Yes I have. Found it when I first googled the cotton ceiling a couple of years ago. It's quite something, isn't it?

Ereshkigal · 15/10/2017 10:16

I needed to sow my wild oats, my girl oats. Life was all new. Being an attractive female changes the game. I chased after cis women, thinking that they were the prize. They were what I still wanted. In my mind, I thought, I look good, I can blend in. I think I can get myself a cis women again

Couldn't possibly sound more male.

Datun · 15/10/2017 10:19

exexpat

(Yet again, I had to skim, because of the me, me, me tedium that always characterises these articles.)

The blindness and hypocrisy is breathtaking.

Acknowledging that they prefer real women, and condemning lesbians for exactly the same thing.

Has anyone ever found a blog by transwoman who talks about hobbies, art, literature, cinema. Anything other than their own tedious journey, followed immediately with complaints about how they can't get laid.

Bucketsandspoons · 15/10/2017 13:28

They resist the penis.

The naughty minxes!! Grin

The narcissism in that, the utter inability to respect a woman's feelings or thoughts - "your resistance to my penis is irrational and illogical! I have explained to you why you must like my penis !"

It's the language of abuse. Women in refuges would recognise exactly this kind of compulsion and differing standards.

SentimentalLentil · 15/10/2017 13:35

My DH just reached peak trans this morning, it was Pippa Bunce what did it.

Also what female has ever 'sowed her wild oats'.
That is a term only used for young men because obviously the need sex, they needs it!!!
I did laugh out loud at the resisting penis bit though, THEY RESIST THE PENIS. Well yes that's kind of what lesbians do, well I think it's more that they prefer a fanny and then by default resist a penis but whatever.

Also that music festival sounds great!!! Shall we have a mumsnet trip out?

Bucketsandspoons · 15/10/2017 13:39

We have feelings. If you cut us, we bleed, just like you. We are beautiful and strong. We have desirable bodies. We need love like everyone else. We are society evolving. Maybe this is scary or goes against the moral fiber of your beliefs. All we ask for is a chance to love who we want to love and be who we want to be

In other words, fgs validate us!! Give us what we want! It's so mean and unkind and closed minded of you to withhold it. This is the theme of men throughout time: it's your job to meet our needs however you may feel about it.

No, it's not my job to sleep with you so you can be who you want to be. And while you may well be beautiful and strong and brave and a lovely person, you are male bodied, and there is no way around that reality.

SentimentalLentil · 15/10/2017 13:52

Well we bleed in one way that's different to you.

QuentinSummers · 15/10/2017 13:55

Also that music festival sounds great!!! Shall we have a mumsnet trip out?
It's not running any more. Took a lot of heat for not admitting trans women.
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/jezebel.com/trans-excluding-michigan-womyns-music-festival-to-end-t-1699412910/amp

SentimentalLentil · 15/10/2017 13:57

Oh for fucks sake

QuentinSummers · 15/10/2017 13:59

This is a better article. It sounds like it was awesome
www.curvemag.com/News/Michigan-Womyns-Music-Festival-to-End-after-40-Years-447/

SentimentalLentil · 15/10/2017 14:02

That's actually heartbreaking.
My eyes welled up when they said it was a city built and run for and by women, that sounds so appealing. I would genuinely haveoved to have gone there.

Why the fuck aren't lesbians allowed to have their culture, what is wrong with people?

It's always the fucking women who have to bow down isn't it.

HornyTortoise · 15/10/2017 15:20

They resist the penis.

Worst crime ever, don't you know...pathetic and dare I say, rapey, individual.

SentimentalLentil · 15/10/2017 15:30

I resist penises all the time.

Penis resister is my punk band name, and possibly my next username

SmartiesHaveTheAnswer · 15/10/2017 16:45

Not RTFT but the number of Lesbians that have been abused and branded as transphobic for not sleeping with transwomen is scary. I'm pretty sure that Magdalen Bern was thrown out of the LGBT society for this reason.

For those of you who are new to this, start googling 'The Cotton Ceiling'. It's how I started my education on the whole Transactivist debate. I started from a 'oh god not another thread..' to 'wtf? Cotton ceiling?' to worry, concern and alarm bells ringing, to full-on peak trans.

This shit is scary and it's deeply political and too many of the British public are sleepwalking into a dangerous policy where their daughter, wives, sisters and mothers are losing their rights to safeguarding.

I wish more people would open their eyes. Like I did.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 15/10/2017 17:20

To be fair there are other views.

Blair White has also posted several videos about how much she opposes transition of under 18s.

It is interesting that YouTube have "demonitised" White (and Ben Shapiro) for being too controversial. I understand this means their channels now do not carry adverts and they no longer get revenue from viewings.

SentimentalLentil · 15/10/2017 17:46

It's interesting to see that there seems to be a difference between transwomen who sleep with men and women.

CredulousThickos · 15/10/2017 18:01

I’m of the opinion that most ‘trans lesbians’ are just autogynephiles. Men who get their rocks off by fetishising femininity.

Not all, but most.

Miffer · 15/10/2017 18:28

It is interesting that YouTube have "demonitised" White (and Ben Shapiro) for being too controversial. I understand this means their channels now do not carry adverts and they no longer get revenue from viewings

They were just two of many many many people effected by it on all sides of lots of political divides.

Also Blair White is a terrible fucking person and could remove all the trans stuff from her channel and would still have been hit with the adpocolypse.