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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Worried I'm missing opportunities to 'teach' my 3 DDs feminism

116 replies

WomanNoCis · 15/09/2017 19:10

I say 'teach' but I probably mean leading by example, immersing them in the understanding of feminism. I'm concerned I'm uninformed and therefore missing opportunities or worse providing examples of conforming to patriarchy.
I'm a SAHM with school age DDs. yes I'm 'one of those'. DH earns a good salary but works long hours, and I think he has the short straw. I organise the house, kids, finances etc. So although I don't earn money, I certainly control it - choose mortgage, insurance, savings plans etc. Of course, I'm still financially dependent on DH but doesn't really feel like it.
With this family set up can my DDs be introduced to feminism? How can I do this? Do you chat about the theories with your DCs?

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conserveisposhforjam · 20/09/2017 20:37

Fucking Paw Patrol Angry

But dd pointed that one out to me herself 'mummy, there are eight characters and only one girl. That's silly isn't it?' Grin Then she said 'but Skye has got a helicopter' and I told her we shouldn't be grateful for scraps from the patriarchal table and we had a nice chat about that Grin

Cel982 · 20/09/2017 20:39

Wunderkind, it's attitudes like yours that perpetuate the whitewashing of women's role in society that has been going on for hundreds of years. Work that has traditionally been done by women - child rearing, other caring and domestic work - has no worth, in your worldview (even though you presumably don't feel that toddlers should be left to fend for themselves for eight hours a day?) The idea that paid employment is the only thing of economic or social value, that in order to achieve equality women have to participate in society in exactly the same way as men is not progressive, it's restrictive and shows a pretty primitive understanding of feminism. Educate yourself.

PolarBearGoingSomewhere · 20/09/2017 20:42

When we went to Paw Patrol Live (I know, I know!) Marshall was female. Skye also got a whole section / song to herself (Chase was the only other pup who did.)

Pisses me off that they have a female mayor but, of course, she's incompetent.

God, once the lightbulb goes you can't miss it, can you? It's everywhere.

Thank God for Farmer Umi - at least she kicks ass (occasionally)

Wunderkind77 · 20/09/2017 20:42

@NameChange Yes, I think a woman staying at home to run a house isn't modelling feminism.

Of course I think it's feminist (and important) to challenge traditional gender roles and - when one person's career has to take precedence - that it's the woman's. I think it would be addressing an imbalance to have more SAHDs, and therefore inherently feminist.

GetAHaircutCarl · 20/09/2017 20:44

I think it's quite a tough one OP, because the central plank of feminism is the belief that women are oppressed and that we need to fight that oppression.

That's quite a tough message to deliver. But necessary.

Wunderkind77 · 20/09/2017 20:45

@conserve Yes, I have children. Why on earth would you assume that I don't? Of course I think professional chilcare workers/teachers are more qualified to look after children than a parent. It would be weird if they weren't.

When your child is ill, do you get offended at the idea that a medical professional is more qualified than you to look after your child even though you the child's mother? Gasp!

conserveisposhforjam · 20/09/2017 20:56

Honestly? You really think a 19 year old with an NVQ level 2 in childcare is better at looking after your kids than you are? Really?

Huh. Shock

MrsJayy · 20/09/2017 20:59

I didn't have a career i had a job my dh earned much more than i ever could i worked in childcare does a woman who has no career prospects also fail at feminisim? And a non role model for her daughters?

NameChangeFamousFolk · 20/09/2017 21:01

Yes, I think a woman staying at home to run a house isn't modelling feminism

We know you think that. You haven't (again) responded to the many other points and questions raised by your view of 'feminism.'

The idea that paid employment is the only thing of economic or social value, that in order to achieve equality women have to participate in society in exactly the same way as men is not progressive, it's restrictive and shows a pretty primitive understanding of feminism. Educate yourself

Puts it all rather well, I think.

EmGee · 20/09/2017 21:02

This is just getting silly now and detracting from OP's initial question.
Wunderkid you're just being obtuse and provocative.

Thanks to those who have posted constructive ideas on introducing feminist role models to our DDs (and DSs!) Some great ideas here.

Wunderkind77 · 20/09/2017 21:02

@conserve Yes, I obviously think a nursery setting with qualified childcare workers has people who are more qualified to look after children than you are, simply because you are a mother. I don't understand why this point is confusing you so much.

MrsJayy - yes, it is more tricky if you dislike your job. It just seems a coincidence that when a couple decides that one person should stay at home, so many decide it should be the woman.

Wunderkind77 · 20/09/2017 21:05

@Namechange, I've tried to respond to every point you've raised. What ones do you think that I'm ignoring?

Why aren't you responding to the points I'm making?

NameChangeFamousFolk · 20/09/2017 21:06

You're right EmGee

I'll play no further part in the derailing. Some great wisdom here from other posters. I'm storing up some good advice.

newtlover · 20/09/2017 21:09

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but I have found soap operas very good at providing opportunities to discuss patriarchy (in and age appropriate way, obvs)
Also loudly deriding any cosmetic adverts. For a few years we all used to shout 'pentapeptides' and fall about laughing when any mock science came on.
It's not all serious being a feminist Grin

conserveisposhforjam · 20/09/2017 21:10

I don't understand why this point is confusing you so much.

OK. I don't understand why you don't understand why that's confusing me so much so let's just leave that little derailment there Grin

Wunderkind77 · 20/09/2017 21:12

@conserve My point is that you're not more qualified at childminding than a professional childminder.

conserveisposhforjam · 20/09/2017 21:12

ARGH! X-post with namechange on the 'derailing'

Are you me namechange? Am I famous??

mctat · 20/09/2017 21:12

Of course she is, if it's her children Confused

NameChangeFamousFolk · 20/09/2017 21:14

Grin conserve

NameChangeFamousFolk · 20/09/2017 21:15

....and a bold fail

Wunderkind77 · 20/09/2017 21:16

@mctat Do you feel that way about other professions, such as teaching and providing medical care? Or just childminding?

NoLoveofMine · 20/09/2017 21:22

Indeed EmGee. It's a shame this thread has been derailed so much and turned into this kind of conversation, almost pitting women who work against mothers who are SAHPs. Luckily there have also been some great posts on it so I hope they'll help the OP and others!

ALittleBitOfButter · 20/09/2017 21:47

Of course I think professional chilcare workers/teachers are more qualified to look after children than a parent.

Fuck me, talk about credential creep! What a neoliberal attitude.

ALittleBitOfButter · 20/09/2017 21:51

I'm a SAHM but i raise crops for our food and run livestock. I also make all clothes and all food is made from scratch. I think these are valuable life lessons which will help my children understand the effort that goes into manufacturing etc.

And today I'm off to work - short term contract - while my partner stays at home. Does this make him a feminist this week but not other weeks?

ALittleBitOfButter · 20/09/2017 21:54

As i make clothes and food from scratch, and raise crops, and do the housework, that makes me a proper 1950s housewife. I do far more than your average urban SAHM. Does that make me less or more exploited?