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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Liberalism and trans

47 replies

FurryGiraffe · 04/09/2017 09:58

This. This is it, in a nutshell:
transwidow.wordpress.com/2017/09/03/liberal-values-dont-apply/

OP posts:
KarateKitten · 04/09/2017 10:01

Just shallow thinking really.

patodp · 04/09/2017 10:41

Totally sums it up.

And as a side note personally I can't stand it when people comment on trans and blame it all on "The Left". I've always viewed Trans ideology as deeply conservative, a way to erase homosexuality and uphold regressive gender role stereotypes. And indeed promote profit for pharmaceutical and medical industries.

You can't really get any more neoliberalism right wing ideologies packed into the trans ideology!

The last paragraph is true. The nature of people on the left to want to be inclusive and avoid offending anyone is being taken advantage of by trans activists. I think this is how the T got tacked onto LGB in the first place.

patodp · 04/09/2017 10:42

*neoliberal right wing

ALittleBitOfButter · 04/09/2017 12:34

Oh that is perfect. I also resent the alignment of the left with trans ideology. I do blame the left though.

AssignedPerfectAtBirth · 04/09/2017 12:52

Brilliant

MorrisZapp · 04/09/2017 12:55

Fucking A.

ladyballs · 04/09/2017 13:06

Brilliant

OlennasWimple · 04/09/2017 19:36

Excellent stuff

Yy, I blame the left for rolling over and letting things happen so fast. I've never thought that the left was particularly pro-women anyway, and now I've seen how fast women have been thrown under the alphabet spaghetti bus

JigglyTuff · 05/09/2017 04:02

Yes! I think one of the things that pisses me off most about it is the immense lack of logical thinking. Really, really annoys me

Broken11Girl · 05/09/2017 04:09

Another brilliant.

Missymoo100 · 05/09/2017 09:20

I don't think the trans issue is right wing. Right wing is to uphold to traditional values- man, woman, marriage, family, being transgender doesn't come into it.
It's left wing marxist idea, by making out children are capapble of making life choices you undermine the family, the state can intervene in child rearing, because they think they would do a better job of raising children than parents do.
This is left wing ideology- they're so hung up on political correctness, theyve allowed the descent into madness where basic reality is now lost.
I actually think the far left are becoming dangerous- they use political correctness as a weapon, anyone who disagrees with them is a bigot. They are telling us how to think and it's going to have big implications if we allow this railroading to continue.
They are divisive, by pushing these policies they are stiring up resentment, it's the policies that are getting people annoyed and nothing to do with the transgender people themselves. The left like groups to feel like they are oppressed because it turns everyone against each other and weakens society. They're creating a society where everyone feels wronged and has sense of entitlement. They want to push a socialist agenda on us where we can all be dependant on the state and live like drones.

ALittleBitOfButter · 05/09/2017 09:32

Missymoo what do you mean by far left? If you are referring to Trotskyists I can assure you they are antipathetic to identity politics, as are Anarchists. Publicly they toe the trans line because they want to recruit from the soft left.

Missymoo100 · 05/09/2017 10:31

^ yes your right, it's not even the far left but the left in general. They have done a marvelous job of getting us to the stage where speaking the truth could be considered a hate crime.

DJBaggySmalls · 05/09/2017 12:43

It is not a Marxist idea at all. And US Liberals are not left wing. they are pro capitalism and anti Socialist.
Iran is not left wing, and there gay people are given the choice of transitioning or the death penalty.
US fundamentalist churches are not left wing and they transition their children as a form of gay conversion 'therapy.'

Karl Marx said people need be treated like humans and live in a human world. Capitalism is in contrast to a human world; a world of money exchange with its “confounding and confusing of all natural and human qualities.”
You cannot opt into or out of the class to which you belong. Class is not a choice.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Class_consciousness

JessicaEccles · 05/09/2017 13:29

Right wing is to uphold to traditional values- man, woman, marriage, family, being transgender doesn't come into it.

Exactly - and NOT GAY. If you conform to male stereotypes, then you are 'really' male and you conform to female, you are 'really' female. So about as right wing as you can get, really....

AskBasil · 05/09/2017 18:54

"It's left wing marxist idea"

It most certainly is not.

Whatever else Marxism is, it is based on a materialist analysis of society.

The idea that being a man or a woman is not based on material reality, but on some nebulous, unprovable feeling, is as un-Marxist as you can get.

Missymoo100 · 05/09/2017 18:55

Marxism is critical of the nuclear family because it is a structure which supports capitalism.
the trans agenda seeks to show children can make decisions beyond their capacity- giving power to the child and authority away from the parent. It's not that they actually care about transgender people but it's just a tool to undermine parental authority. The video someone posted with "Lactatia" a few weeks ago when she says "get new parents" says it all.
Even if it was right wing, and I don't think it is, the left perpetuates the issue by having to seem accepting of everything in an attempt not to seem bigoted.

Datun · 05/09/2017 19:34

So the left uphold it because it gives children a choice, celebrates the individual at the expense of the unit and it's 'progressive'? And the right uphold it because it reinforces gender stereotypes?

That's women fucked then.

patodp · 05/09/2017 20:20

I think Missymoo needs to read some Marx Grin

patodp · 05/09/2017 20:28

The left do seem to have 2 serious blind spots, one is prostitution and the other is trans. Both seriously harm women's progress but spun as "empowering" or "choicey choosy"

I think most normal people on the left do reach peak trans quietly, especially after reading a few actual facts. I only hope enough reach the peak and soon.

Missymoo100 · 05/09/2017 20:35

Patodp, i have made my point. You don't have to agree, you are entitled to your opinion as am I, but you don't have to be a dick about it.

ALittleBitOfButter · 05/09/2017 21:56

making out children are capapble of making life choices you undermine the family, the state can intervene in child rearing, because they think they would do a better job of raising children than parents do

Sounds quite like the far right - Hitler's Germany.

Missymoo100 · 05/09/2017 21:59

Or cultural marxism.

MagdalenLaundry · 05/09/2017 22:08

I don't think this has come from the left
It is a well funded and organised campaign. Funding seems to come from super rich capitalists with mysoginistic tendancies

MagdalenLaundry · 05/09/2017 22:10

Jumping on the LGB bandwagon has made it harder for anyone to challenge along with MRA tactics