Can we talk about liberal feminism?

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It's late and I've had wine and so this is probably a bit disjointed. BUT liberal feminism seems like a complete clusterfuck to me. It's all about 'reflecting on things' and apologising. God, so much apologising. I don't think white heterosexual lefty men spend their lives saying 'mea culpa' do they? But white het women seem to be on a mission to self-abase. It's really fucking odd and quite disturbing.

Is anyone else seeing this or do I need to start wearing a tinfoil hat or something?

Pansies I think you have the wrong thread. Most of what you've just posted is irrelevant

Are you SamCam pansies?

Pan

It's frustrating when faced with easy cynicism isn't it? It's so easy to laugh and dismiss all politicians as greedy.

I think a lot of politicians go into politics for 'the right' reasons and then get caught up in the machinations and media manipulation and then act in ways it's easy to be cynical about from the outside.

I also agree that this easy cynicism is very bad for public life. Politicians are corrupt, feminists are humourless: very easy to say and very hard to counter without sounding defensive and humourless.

Most of us would have an easier and better life if they'd went into stockbroking and wallpaper. Sigh.

Triplecookedkimchi and DeleteOrDecay
do you have a short term memory problem or did you both just intend to be rude to pansies?

Pansies was quite clearly responding to this post made less than 24 hours ago.

DioneTheDiabolist
Quencher while some politicians may enter the field with worthy notions, their priorities soon change and become as follows:
1. Self. They love being on theach gravy train
2. Backers. Who keep them on the gravy train and will continue to use and reward them once out of politics.
3. The Party. Being a member of one is handy
4. The electorate. Way down the politician's list of priorities and mostly seen as an inconvenience to be patronised and soft soaped once every few of years.
None really care about about women. None really care about the electorate. And we are the stupid sheep they believe us to be if we think otherwise. There are* exceptions, but they are few and far between

esus people, can't we pick the right enemies? Or do rad fems really just like hating other women who Do Feminism Wrong?

Every day feminism is a business. It is not a liberal feminist saying the "wrong thing" at your last feminist book club. It's a business that makes money peddling the idea that women don't deserve privacy. That women are trabsmisogynsts if they don't fuck a woman with a great big Adam's apple. And tells them to reconsider their sexual boundaries to appear less bigoted. EF can fuck the fuck off

It's a business that's a damn sight closer to your side than the Mail.

Thanks Mousse.

It's a business that's a damn sight closer to your side than the Mail

is it? I'd put them together. Both fucking over women. Both scare mongering and selling lies.

Oh and worse than the Mail, it's actually trying to turn "my side". No one I care about reads the mail, EF turns up everywhere

"There's a gleeful thread today about 'everyday feminism' that makes for depressing reading"

I can only assume you don't know what "Everyday Feminism" is.......

And Everyday Feminism is far worse than the Mail.

Everyday Feminism posts utter bollocks
This is still my favourite, about how animal rights movements are oppressive
everydayfeminism.com/2016/03/animal-rights-oppressive/

WTF does that have to do with improving things for women aka feminism?

Everyday feminism is a website based in america where women's rights to birth control and abortion are being eroded Daily and has legitimately said we should start centering the women's reproductive health movement around transwomen and their ability to save their sperm (for free). No it's not incitement to violence against refugees. But they're definitely not more on my side.

Pansiesandredrosesandmarigolds

Have you actually read some of the stuff they churn out on Everyday Feminism? They relentlessly centre men. And criticise women, for being female.

They constantly tell women apologise as their biology is offensive to men.

It's a business that's a damn sight closer to your side than the Mail.

Thanks for the laugh

No, it really isn't.

Or do rad fems really just like hating other women who Do Feminism Wrong?

And that's some nerve, given some of the sneery holier than thou comments by lib fems on this thread. Wheeling out tired old shit like rad fems are humourless prudes.

Which lib fems on the thread called rad fems "humourless prudes"?

You'll note it wasn't a quote, Dione. Or I'd have put it in italics

This, however, can go in quotation marks "I'll never be pure enough for the rads, so will hang out with wine, laughter and sisterhood with my fellow wishy washy libs grin"

There are plenty similar.

No, it's not. It's got nothing to do with feminism. It's anti-feminist.

(Everyday Feminism that is)

"It's got feminism in the name, so it must be objectively feminist".

And not that's not an actual quote from the thread Dione.

Agree about Everyday Feminism being terrible, but if someone puts something in quotation marks, I'm going to assume they're quoting someone.

If I quote someone directly I say who I am quoting. I think it's quite common on social media particularly twitter etc to paraphrase reading between the lines of what someone thinks or says with a "quotation". I've come across it lots, anyway.