Should rape be considered as a hate crime?

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I'm referring to men raping women; not negating the fact that men are also raped by men but that's not what I'm talking about.

It occurred to me that rape is about power and control over women. It comes from a deeply misogynistic view of the world and could/should be considered as a hate crime. Any thoughts?

it's just as much about control when men are raped. Stop trying to make everything about sexism.

It's not just power and control over women. It's power and control over the victims.

It should be considered on par with murder
IMO. When a person is raped a part of them dies and their life will never be the same.

True it is just about control when men are raped

Women are victims more often than men so I think it's legitimate to consider from a feminist perspective

Rape is all about power no matter who's on the receiving end

Rape is not all about power, it's about sex and power. Otherwise punches and kicks would be equal substitute weapons to penises, and they're not.

Of course it matters that males commit 99% of all rapes whether their victims are women, children, animals, or other men.

Rape is all about men controlling women.

It should absolutely be seen as a hate crime.

Using the sex of a tiny minority of victims to negate the sex of the overwhelming majority of them is whataboutery.

No, I don't think male victims suffer less than female ones, just that there are far fewer of them.

Yes, rape should absolutely be a hate crime.

It's a means of demonstrating power and contempt and indicating that the victim's safety and possibly life, is at your whim.

Hetero men rape women because they were women, they target women specifically. They don't go and rape a man if there's no women at the club that night.

I don't know the specifics of hate crimes, but targeting someone because of their sex sounds like it should be a hate crime to me.

I think shouting sexist abuse at women in the street should be treated as a hate crime. You are specifically targeting one group of people because a characteristic (sex) protected against discrimination in other areas of law. Hate crime legislation excludes hate crime against women although I believe some police forces have started treating this sort of abuse as a hate crime, don't know how that pans out in court though.

Whatever we think will be ignored, because we are women.
The rape of women is a hate crime, but it will be ignored because we are women.

In my opinion, yes. There are so many attacks by men and boys on women and girls for no other reason other than the victims are female. These are without doubt misogynist hate crimes; victims selected specifically for their sex. The contempt for the victims purely due to their being female - and the contempt for all women and girls displayed in committing such crimes - is part of the reason for committing them as far as I'm concerned.

Rape is male terrorism against the whole female sex.

Women are terrified and don't dare to walk alone at night. Men have no such fears.

So stop the whataboutery.

Yes, it should be considered a hate crime. Men who rape women have misogynist attitudes. It is no coincidence.

I agree it should be a hate crime

As should domestic abuse which comes from the same misogyny

I don't think rape of women should be treated as a hate crime. If all acts of rape of women are hate crimes the term is largely meaningless.

On the other hand I don't think you could legitimately say the rape of a woman is a hate crime but that of a man isn't.

Before you all pile on I do think that sentencing should be far more robust , eligibility for parole far more strictly reviewed and conditions and restrictions imposed after release. That to me seems more practical than simply adding a word which if ubiquitously applied adds nothing.

If raping a woman comes from misogyny, that's the hate right there.

Purely for her sex. I don't think men get raped by other men because they hate men, do they? I might be wrong.

How prevalent is male on male rape, outside prison?

What do you think the motivation for male rape is then?

I'm not seeing from a legal point of view what the point is of labelling all female rape as a hate crime. I think posters are using this in a lay sense but I'm not sure it translates to a legal sense.

Yes Lass, I agree that legal wording is a different ballgame. It's useful to have a lawyer point that out.

Personally, I would like the word hate in there somewhere. Because it's high time this problem was highlighted and given the label it deserves.

I know there is a reluctance to 'grade' rape (culturally, I'm not sure if there is one legally) Which I agree with. Because there is a danger of minimising some rape a result.

But could you envisage a crime, that has misogyny at its heart, which could then be called a hate crime? Because many attacks on women do seem to be driven by hate.

And yes, I find male rape confusing. Not the rape, so much, but the fact that it is generally in prisons. It suggests that men will do anything to get their dick serviced. Which, in turn, indicates a sexual motivation.

And I know there is a power dynamic there too. But it seems to me to be very strange power dynamic. Unless there are an awful lot of men out there who can overcome their reluctance to anal sex, for the sake of the power it gives them? I would have thought a beating would have the same effect.

To me, male on male violence has more of a territorial, challenge, and power dynamic. Whereas male on female violence, although obviously containing a power dynamic, seems also to stem from bitterness, hate and resentment.

Rape is used as a war crime against women in certain parts of the world. Yes that at the very least should be considered a hate crime.

A hate crime is commited against z vulnerable protected group because of their protected characteristics. So imo rape against women (protected group, doubley so for lesbians who are correctively raped) is against a protected group and should be a hate crime. As should murder of women.

Datun, where is your evidence that male on male rape is generally in prisons? Having spent a lot of time dealing with the legal side of rape cases, I can assure you that male on male rape does happen away from the prison environment and whilst it is not reported as much as a female victim, it certainly does occur a lot.

Skittlesss

Yes, I know it happens away from prisons. I'm talking more to do with the motivation.

Can you tell me more about your experience? What do you see as the motivation for male on male rape? Is it the same as male on female rape?

And, in your experience, would the motivation change in a prison environment?

I think it should be regarded as a hate crime, culturally.

In regards to male on male rape, in situations where women are not available...

Interestingly, I read in a study on bathroom sex segregation, that women find female bathrooms a safe zone, because there are no men. But men find male bathrooms an uncomfortable place to be, essentially because without women to bond over oppressing, and focus on, their attention turns to each other.

I think in prison, when men's ability to control women is taken away, they will try to turn other, lower status men, into "women." Which is the worst way a man can be humiliated. A beating wouldn't carry the same total emasculation and breaking of being anally penetrated, like another man's 'bitch'. And the other man gets sexual pleasure from it, so it's win/win for them.

I also think a lot more people are heterosexual leaning, but bisexual to some degree - enough so that in a situation where men's preferred sex is absent, and they do not fall in status by being "gay," they will happily penetrate other men (but not be penetrated.) Especially if that penetration brings a boost in status. After all, many men will quite literally fuck anything, or any one, from rotten coconut (a recent viral story,) to middle-aged prison inmate, to 83 year-old woman.

It's all about sexual pleasure and dominance/power displays within a hieararchy, with a good dollop of sadism.

Also, of course, gay men no doubt commit rape as well.

The whole concept of 'hate crime' is nonsensical rubbish and should be abolished. British law has never concerned itself with motive, only intention and act. That is, it didn't until PC lefties got to it (Jack Straw, IIRC) and decided to punish people not just for what they did but for what they thought as well.

Do some posters on MN even bother to do basic research before posting their diatribe?

"Male rape only happens in prisons"
"I only happens if a woman isn't there"

Do a basic fucking google search on male rape before spouting nonsense. How can your opinion be taken seriously when you've not looked at and considered both sides of the argument first.

While you're at it google 'hate crime' too. Most forces treat a crime which happens due to someone's sex as being a hate crime. There doesn't even need to be evidence to support that thought, just a persons perception. So, if someone (imcluding the victim, their friends or family) perceives the rape to have been due the the offenders hate of women it will be recorded as such.