Should rape be considered as a hate crime?

[Shoxfordian]

I'm referring to men raping women; not negating the fact that men are also raped by men but that's not what I'm talking about.

It occurred to me that rape is about power and control over women. It comes from a deeply misogynistic view of the world and could/should be considered as a hate crime. Any thoughts?

But to make sense of that in relation to rape you would have to have a category of rape which wasn't aggravated by hating women and a category where that was the motivation.

I don't think so? It would remain one category of rape but the hate element would be an aggravating factor that would be considered in sentencing. The same as a racially aggravated assault is still charged as a common assault or ABH, the racial motivation is considered at sentencing.
As a legal bod you probably understand it better than me though

It would remain one category of rape but the hate element would be an aggravating factor that would be considered in sentencing

But for that to work you would have to have rapes not committed in hatred?

How does that square with the posters who are arguing all rape stems from a hatred of women?

@Ereshkigal I am a feminist, it's just a shame you're so anti-male. But that's okay, luckily you're in the minority.

No.

Sexism, cat calling etc that should be seen as a hate crime. Rape should be seen as just about the worst thing you can do to another person, and not like anything else. It should be treated more harshly and perpetrators should actually go to jail for serious sentencing.

You couldn't have 'female' added to the list of characteristics for a hate crime the same way you don't have 'non-white' instead of 'race' now.

cat calling etc that should be seen as a hate crime. Rape should be seen as just about the worst thing you can do to another person, and not like anything else. It should be treated more harshly and perpetrators should actually go to jail for serious sentencing

That makes sense.

Sits on hands

That was aimed at Erishkigal

@CatsAreAssholes

Agreed!

Ereshkigal even

You couldn't have 'female' added to the list of characteristics for a hate crime the same way you don't have 'non-white' instead of 'race' now

There are no lists in that way. Of course you can have racially motivated attacks by Black or Asian people against white people and they are prosecuted as such.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald?wprov=sfla1I

It is also suggested the crime demonstrates how society has been forced to redefine racism so as to no longer exclude white victims

"Murder of Kriss Donald" on @Wikipedia: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald?wprov=sfta1

The problem with saying all rapes by men of women are a hate crime makes it meaningless as the victim is always a woman. All you are saying is effectively it is a very, very bad thing.

@LassWiTheDelicateAir

I'm agreeing with you.

Its ridiculous when gender ID is a category that can suffer a hate crime but female is not.

Women and girls are being silenced for fear of being accused of a hate crime. This is the CPS school pack;
www.cps.gov.uk/northwest/working_with_you/hate_crime_schools_project/schools_project___lgbt_hate_crime/

Transphobia is a hate crime but misogyny is not. The end result is that trans people now tell lesbians they are transphobic for refusing to have sex with someone who has a penis but who identifies as female. Even though homophobia is also a hate crime.

@DJBaggySmalls

Thank you for the link.

Are you?

I think you could make sex a protected characteristic in certain circumstances if you could establish hatred of the victim's sex was a motivator.

You would have to accept however that whilst it is very rare violent bullying by teenage girls of other girls happens and the motivation is the sex of the victim.

Personally I don't see why they can't just used the protected characteristics from the equality act.

enoughisenough