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Gender ID bill - Gender Critical To Do List

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BetsyM00 · 02/08/2017 16:48

There seems to be quite a few of us with concerns about the proposed bill and who want to take some steps to voice opposition to it. I've pulled together some pertinent info and compiled a To Do List from threads on here, and elsewhere.

Please join in with any other suggestions.

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QuarksandLeptons · 03/08/2017 20:03

Thank you for this detailed and clear information. Just joined mumsnet and will be following your leads

dangermouseisace · 03/08/2017 20:50

gosh betsy you're so organised. Thank you Star

IndominusRex · 04/08/2017 07:39

Been thinking about this, and there are some people who will not listen no matter how factual and reasonable an argument you put forward. So for those people I think we need pictures not words. Kellie Maloney the wife strangler, Davina Ayrton the rapist, these are the people they want us to share with. Photo, name, what they've already done to women.

IndominusRex · 04/08/2017 07:42

And photos of news articles crime reporting. Print it all out and mail to MPs.

IndominusRex · 04/08/2017 07:44

And sport reporting.

grafittiartist · 04/08/2017 07:46

Thank you very much for all of this.

BetsyM00 · 04/08/2017 08:33

IndominusRex On the right hand side of the blue bar above every post there is an option to 'Message poster'. Click on that to PM.

Glad the info on this thread is being of use. Just wanted to reiterate the FB is open to all like-minded MNers - which possibly excludes exWifebeginsat40.

Thanks Pencils - someone else to email.

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PovertyPain · 04/08/2017 09:44

Thank you Betsy. I hadn't seen that last one, so that's all three signed now.

Datun · 04/08/2017 10:14

I completely agree in adding screenshots, if you can. Just to illustrate something you have already said. Pictures do Have a profound effect.

Striking the right balance between sensationalising and being factual is tricky. But as long as you make your point and then say 'see below' it can work.

Also, although it takes a long time, if you can add links to back up what you're saying, please do. It makes all the difference if you can cite sources.

hi6789 · 04/08/2017 13:02

I'm going to share what female spaces mean to me picture #FemaleVoices with friends everyday, today's soldier picture was great. Need to do my picture at weekend.

Sunkisses · 08/08/2017 06:29

Hi Betsy - thanks so much for all your obvious hard work on this issue. I'm like most women - supportive of trans people and not wanting anyone to feel discriminated against, but very concerned that the rights to privacy, safety and dignity of biological women are being completely erased with these ill-thought out reforms. I feel like we've all been sleepwalking into this, and women are too scared to speak out due to censorship and bullying.

I just noticed that a lot of the sample letters to MPs are out of date and refer to Marie Miller MPs private members bill, and this is confusing. The govt have recently announced they will do their own consultation in the Autumn about reforms to the Gender Recognition Act to make it easier for trans people to self-ID, and it is this we should be mobilising around.

I wrote the below to my (Tory) MP recently. I will post his reply when I get it. Thanks for all you've done.

Dear XX

I am very concerned about the government's proposed reforms to the Gender Recognition Act 2004 including:

  • Removing the need for a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria before being able to apply for gender recognition. The current need to be assessed and diagnosed by clinicians is seen as an intrusive requirement by the trans community; and

  • Proposing options for reducing the length and intrusiveness of the gender recognition system.

The proposed changes would make it easy for a man to self-identify as a woman, without the need for any medical diagnosis.

I am concerned about the impacts of this on women and girls, as a biological sex, particularly the loss of our privacy, safety and dignity. I am also concerned about the impacts of this on freedom of speech.

Under the proposed reforms it will become easier for a biological man to access women-only services and spaces (such as public toilets, changing rooms, showers, hospital wards, women's prisons, domestic violence shelters etc), compromising our safety and privacy, simply by claiming to be a 'woman'. Anyone challenging this (that a biological male with male genitalia should not be in a women's shower at a public swimming baths, for instance) would be guilty of 'discrimination' under the Equality Act 2010. Many people have absolutely no idea that this will be the consequence of these reforms.

Sex segregation in some public areas happens for very good reasons, as much of the harassment of women happens because of our biological differences, and these biological differences are deeply private. To understand the potential consequences of these reforms you only have to see the enormous distress that mixed-sex wards cause in hospitals. It is also worth knowing that there are several extremely sexually-violent men who are now claiming to be 'women', including Ian Huntley who is requesting transfer to a women's prison.

I am also concerned that measures to increase opportunities for girls and women will be taken away if boys and men are allowed to 'identify' as a girl or woman. For instance, biological men who 'identify' as girls or women would dominate women's sport due to their different biology - larger size, and greater physical strength and stamina. Data collection relating to sex inequality will be rendered meaningless. For instance measurements of the gender pay gap, or the prominence of women in high-level roles in business would be skewed by inclusion of men who climb the career ladder as men, but then later on claim to be 'women'. Scholarships and awards for girls and women could go to boys and men, rather than the girls and women they were intended for to increase their representation and opportunities. The collection of crime statistics will become meaningless, such as the case of a rapist being reported in the media as a 'woman' because he 'identified' as a woman, despite being a biological male capable of rape.

No one doubts that those who suffer gender dysphoria face discrimination, depression and high suicide rates, but action to support transsexual people should not be at the expense of women and girls. Trans people should be supported in over-coming or coming to terms with their gender dysphoria rather than forcing an unwilling population to deny scientific and biological reality, and undermining the rights of women and girls.

These reforms were not in the Conservative manifesto and I am sure will be deeply unpopular if the consequences are understood, or become apparent if the law is changed. A consultation will be happening in the Autumn and I wondered what your views were on how women and girls will not be undermined through any reforms.

I have found this website very useful. As a parent I thought you might do too: www.transgendertrend.com/

Yours sincerely

BetsyM00 · 08/08/2017 08:51

Superb letter Sunkisses, thank you.

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PhilODox · 08/08/2017 08:57

Thank you for pulling all this together in one thread Betsey- no mean feat!

Thisisouting · 08/08/2017 09:55

I'm no longer part of the group please don't contact me.

Gingernaut · 09/08/2017 22:44

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Gingernaut · 09/08/2017 22:56

Please ignore my previous post.

Biscuit beetles, indeed.

fairplayforwomen.com/its-not-about-you

The one below could be triggering. Sorry.

fairplayforwomen.com/self-identification-erase-women

weasle · 09/08/2017 23:00

Thanks for this list Betsy. I'll send a letter to MP.

QuarksandLeptons · 11/08/2017 20:10

Just seen that the petition was listed already...

TweeBee · 14/08/2017 08:56

Thank you Betsy. Been meaning to write to my MP about this. Will have a good look over this letter and then write.

Thelilywhite · 18/08/2017 11:36

I emailed my mp on tuesday (for the third time this year) This is the reply i got back yesterday

Thank you for your letter to MP. ** has noted the contents and thanks you for bringing these issues to his attention
Best wishes
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Office Assistant to

On first viewing I thought it was an acknowledgement although i have not recieved any before. On second look i think it is a fob off. Id be interested to know what others think. I feel like replying to the office assistant and ask her if the minister intends to answer in further correspondence the questions i put to him.Iv also sent a copy snail mail as before

Thelilywhite · 18/08/2017 11:47

Also emailed justine greening and got this which is clearly an acknowledgement so i will have to email again. Annoying.
If you are not a constituent but are writing to me in my capacity as Secretary of Education, please visit www.gov.uk/contact-dfe and fill out the online contact form, or call the department on 0370 000
Next on my hit list is Corbyn

QuarksandLeptons · 23/08/2017 12:03

The Socialist Feminist Network issued a statement regarding the proposed bill.
I think it really clearly sums up its issues with over writing women's rights that were enshrined in the 2010 equality act.
I'm currently using it to write my letter to my MP and thought it may be of use to others.
Despite some legal and social reform, British society remains scarred by inequalities, prejudice, bigotry and oppressions of all kinds. Unity and collective effort to create a fair and equal society for all lie at the heart of the labour movement.
Austerity has had a hugely detrimental impact upon working class women. LINK to TUC. We believe that it is imperative to retain women as part of our movement, to ensure the movement represents their interests and allows them freedom of speech. We do not think this contradicts the rights of any other minority group but in fact enhances the unity of our movement. We draw upon the work of feminists in our understanding of gender as a social construct which coercively imposes a hierarchy between the sexes.
Transgender people have the right to live their life free from persecution, harassment or discrimination in any form. We note that under the umbrella of “transgender” there are many different and variant gender expressions. We believe that individuals should be free to express themselves without diluting the rights and dignity of others.

The 2010 Equality Act is the cornerstone of hard won rights for those facing discrimination and protecting oppressed groups. We believe any suggested legislation that could impact upon existing provision within the Equality Act should be fairly scrutinised for the potential to dilute the rights of others or for unintended consequences leading to possible reversals in legal protections. We request the government undertakes an equality impact assessment on its proposals to introduce gender identity legislation.
The 2010 Equality Act enshrines rights for women and girls to be free from discrimination including sexual harassment and to have sex specific protections in law. These include the right for certain occupational roles to be legitimately categorised as female only in order to protect the privacy and dignity of women. Such roles include rape crisis counsellors or are in occupations with access to female intimate spaces. We believe these sex based protections are invaluable.
Tory proposals in the Maria Miller Report suggest no less than a re-categorisation of sex based classification to that of gender identity. This is a change to the legal basis of our common understanding of man and woman. As such this is a legitimate and proper discussion about balancing rights and thinking through consequences. We do not accept that raising legitimate questions about balancing rights amounts to transphobic or hate speech and we are in favour of free speech.
We want the labour movement to organise a far reaching consultation process in LP branches and across Trade Unions to consider the impact of the Maria Miller proposals on women and girls sex based protections: Access to the consultation arrangements should be assured for both to women and LGBT members.
The consultation should in particular consider:
• Sex categorisation of statistics so that we can meaningfully continue to monitor equal pay, representation of women in public life on company boars etc. and that the recording of male violence is not eroded.
• An agreed process for categorisation of national statistics on Transgender trends.
• Female only spaces including in schools and sports facilities and public venues and workplaces.
• Facilities for the most vulnerable women in society such as prisons and shelters.
• Sports arrangements and protecting the integrity of competition for women and girls.
• Free speech and any conflict arising from creating gender identity as a protected characteristic.
• Sex discrimination law and the potential loss of meaningful sex based comparitors.
Further consultation should take place with teacher trade unions and those unions representing members providing services to young people on the impact of gender stereotyping on their lives with a view to finding appropriate materials and support. We also want the involvement of trade union members providing services to vulnerable women.
Such a wide ranging consultation on these matters will bring about meaningful protections and a balance of rights that might result in agreed changes to existing equality law. Such an approach will sit within the labour movements collective values. We also believe this approach will win wide support across all sections of society.
9th August 2017.

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InfiniteSheldon · 23/08/2017 12:52

Thank you for the links and info all signed

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