Wtf anyone listening to woman's hour now?

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No time to type write now but if you are I would like to discuss!

oldbirdy, I have supported adults with learning disabilities in an educational setting and we had excellent sex ed. Consent was really at the forefront. I remember thinking everyone should discuss this, and how much better it was than my own sex ed in school.

We also had some students who were married, and another couple who sadly could not get consent to marry from their parents. It is very much still a taboo subject. Maybe not relevant to the thread, but just mentioned it as none of the people in question would be able to live independently without support but all were able to understand consent in terms of their own responsibilities to make sure the other person wanted to do something each and every time.

The stereotypes around autism, that I think are played on in the article, are not representative of most people - I have several friends and colleagues who I doubt people would realise were autistic, and many posters on here, too, who are sharing the same parenting joys and frustrations as the next poster.

I am also not in any way advocating for what Kathy Lette is proposing. I am objecting to the way autistic people are being discussed as if they are all the same.

I doubt her son gave permission for KL to whore him about on social media.

In the same way as if I said "women chase men with money" or "girls are prickteases" would be completely outrageous. It's not ok to say "mothers shouldn't do this for their disabled children, especially autistic ones". Can't you see? You might say "mothers shouldn't do this" fullstop but the "especially autistic ones (because all autistic people have social learning difficulties and therefore won't understand about consent and relationships)" is just as inappropriate.

Has anyone complained to the BBC or written to Feedback?

It's really something to see this poor chap - who has already been violated - being described as both a rapist and unable to consent themselves

I don't think any one has.

lookatmeimsandrabee's post , which you picked up on,was, in my opinion, badly worded and veered towards it. I don't think your response helped to be honest and no one apart from you has used the word "loser".

I absolutely agree with you this thread is not the vehicle for a discussion of male entitlement generally.

This relates to one vain, silly woman. What makes it worse is this vain, silly, self-publicist has for years trumpeted herself to be a feminist and is married to a leading human rights lawyer yet is clueless apparantly about , in particular her son's right to privacy and dignity and prostituted women's rights generally.

I think in this case it was not all autistic people who were being discussed, but a subset whose parent thought it appropriate to buy a sex worker for them. Consent from a young person in that situation certainly should not be assumed. Which is of course not to say that no autistic person could consent or every autistic person can consent.

I think theyve split up now Lass. I saw it somewhere.

They have Helena announced just in the last month.

KL has also publicly supported Assange

NoLove Never mind ignoring girls who are similar in neurological terms, this is quite insulting to girls, implying it's girls who "aren't broad minded" in these terms...

Apparently autistic men are more likely to be married than autistic women. Plus men are more likely to leave their partners when they become ill or disabled. It strikes me that it's not women being narrow-minded and not accepting people for who they are...

I don't know the stats and daren't look it up right now (too depressing as a probably neurodiverse woman) but I suspect autistic women are more likely to be abused, coerced, and taken advantage of than neurotypical women. For the same reasons I wouldn't be surprised if ASD is overrepresented in prostitution too.

Who gives a shit though? Obviously it's much more important to focus on men's need for sex than any actual basic human rights...

"I absolutely agree with you this thread is not the vehicle for a discussion of male entitlement generally."

I don't see why not.

Kathy Lette's assumption that her son is entitled to sex, doesn't just exist because she's a bit stupid. OK, she is a bit stupid, she's demonstrated that very well over the years (I too couldn't believe Girls' Night Out was sold as feminist writing, it was dreadful); but her stupid idea didn't just come from her own stupid head; it comes from a generalised assumption that men are entitled to sex.

That idea is so strong, that I remember a few years ago a local authority suggesting that men with certain disabilities should be taken to prostituted women by their social workers in order to be wanked off, because the nature of their disability meant they couldn't do it themselves and apparently it's something tax- payers should be paying for.

No-one has suggested that disabled women should be provided with handsome young men to perform endless cunninlingus and roger them stupid at the taxpayer's expense.

Male entitlement to sex and female's function to provide that "sex" is absolutely at the root of KL's distasteful ideas. She didn't just pluck the idea out of the air, without having come across it as a mainstream idea in society.

She's a hateful self publicist. Colleen Nolan did this a few years ago (pretended she was going to send her son to a prostitute) but I don't think she got a WH interview out of it. Who would want to read that novel? Seriously?