Wtf anyone listening to woman's hour now?

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No time to type write now but if you are I would like to discuss!

I also heard this and was appalled. It basically teaches her son that women are objects that can be bought. Where as any sensible person would suggest that he waits until he meets someone who. Slurs him for his worth. What about all the young women with disabilities. Are their mothers and father trying to pay for male escorts for them?! I don't think so.

Additionally I have actually experienced quite a bit lately, mothers of teenage boys in absolutely denial that their sons are anything other that perfect angels and all the girls and predatory, jealous crazy and controlling. Even faced with a reported rape, one mum is convinced that the girl is 'doing it for attention' and her darling son isbsome massive victim. But if only see has seen him in action in a nightclub recently as I did, she wouldn't beeline her eyes. I also went to a group full of teachers, social workers, police and healthcare staff other similar professional. We were shown some adverts and promotional material about girls being at risk from abusive relationships and how many boys can't identify what is and isn't rape etc. And without expecting all the mothers of boys were massively offended and saying that the girls are predatory and all their poor Innocent boys would NEVER do anything like pressure a girl. And all the girls are prick teasers anyway, so the poor boys needs medals for not managing to sexually assault them! I was gonna smacked. I appreciate that many many boys are excellent young men with massive respect for women and that some girls are potentially teases. But the level of denial amoung the mothers of boys was astounding and made me fear from my DD. These are the professionals that she would potentially be going to for advice or protection if anything happened to her!

Ploppy thats appalling

Ploppy I appreciate that many many boys are excellent young men with massive respect for women but less likely the sons of these people who seem to have little respect for women themselves. I have a cousin like this, used to bang on about how helpless her sons were from predatory women who might cry rape for attention etc. I think she considers herself a better class of woman.

OP I have given up on WH. Too many of their awful 'dramas' seemed to involve the abuse of women and children and as for the rest of it at best they handle only lukewarm equal-pay feminism. I sort of feel like the presenters are better than what they peddle there, or at least they seem switched-on, so it makes me feel sad and frustrated that they're colluding in WH rubbish.

Jesus Ploppy. What a world we live in

Gosh sorry for all the typos! I meant to say the meeting was a workshop set up by the domestic abuse alliance in my area where we we're supposed to be looking at how we can get in early and educate teenagers about consent and releationships, to try and reduce domestic abuse. As you can tell, we are banging our head against a brick wall. Still a massive assumption that the 'right type of girl' won't ever be a victim. Poor boys with all these canton temptresses throwing themselves at them and then crying rape 😩

How hideous. The views of teenage girls so commonly held are appalling and symptomatic of the misogyny which pervades through society in my opinion. With all we have to put up with; street harassment, objectification, sexualisation, being demeaned in many ways, mocked, the way many boys speak of us, online misogyny and plenty more, to cap it all so many women have such a misogynist view of us. I despair.

Sorry, posting that here is misguided as I know how much posters here do for women and girls - I was just enraged by what you've been experiencing recently Ploppy.

*Today 18:54 Datun

And I agree with the previous poster who said that teaching people, particularly those with autism, that this is how to treat women, is appalling.*

Why 'particularly those with autism*?

It's disgusting. No consideration what so ever for the commodification of women's bodies. It's all about a men's 'right' to have sex which obviously comes above everything else including educating teenagers about healthy, consensual, adult relationships.

And of course no one feels this way about their daughters with disabilities. That speaks volumes imo.

I despair at the human race sometimes I really do.

It does speak volumes Delete. Womens needs are seen as much less important than mens.

this is from another thread ive been on today. The statement in inverted commas i took from someones elses post on a thread and underneath is my response just for clarity.

HelenaDove Wed 02-Aug-17 16:49:21
"As a side note, there was a thread here a while back where almost everyone agreed an affair was ok. It was very different situation - elderly man whose dw had severe dementia. After many years of looking after her he started a new relationship, still being dw's primary carer, all their adult dc were happy for him (long story short)"

Interesting. My DH is disabled and im his full time carer. Hes not got dementia but emphysema and ischemic heart disease and we havent been physical for many years.

If i had posted similar to above i suspect i would have got my arse handed to me on a plate.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/jul/26/sex-important-to-older-women-european-court-rules?CMP=twt_gu

"Judges in Portugal were guilty of sexual discrimination in a medical compensation case when they decided that the importance of sex diminished with the age of a woman, Europe’s human rights court has ruled.

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Maria Morais, a 50-year-old Portuguese woman with two children, claimed that medical negligence during botched gynaecological surgery at a Portuguese hospital in 1995 left her unable to have normal sex. She won her compensation case for physical and mental suffering, but the hospital then won a 2013 appeal that cut the payout by around one-third.

Justifying the cut, judges in Lisbon argued sex was not as important because of her age. The three-judge panel — made up of two men and a woman — were all over 50, according to Morais’s lawyer, Vitor Ribeiro. The case triggered a storm of protest in Portugal, where one female lawmaker described the ruling as “Taliban jurisprudence.”

The France-based European court of human rights sided with Morais, saying Portuguese judges were guilty of “prejudices” and had violated the right to respect for private and family life. It ordered Portugal to pay Morais €3,250 ($3,790) in damages and €2,460 for costs and expenses.

The Portuguese court’s decision “ignored the physical and psychological importance of sexuality for women’s self-fulfillment and other dimensions of women’s sexuality”, the European court said.

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“The [Lisbon court] decision had moreover been based on the general assumption that sexuality was not as important for a 50-year-old woman and mother of two children as for someone of a younger age. In the [European] court’s view those considerations showed the prejudices prevailing in the judiciary in Portugal,” it added.

There was no immediate reaction from Portuguese authorities.

The European court noted two other judgments in Portugal, in 2008 and 2014, concerning medical malpractice complaints by two male patients. In those cases, Portugal’s supreme court found that the fact that the men could no longer have normal sexual relations had affected their self-esteem and brought “tremendous or strong mental shock”, regardless of their age or whether they had had children or not.

• This article was amended on 26 July 2017. The subheading in an earlier version said Lisbon judges. This has been corrected to judges in France"

I heard it. As well as the fact she seems to think her son is entitled to sex, I was also that she suggested early on that young girls weren't broad minded enough to consider a relationship with someone not neurological and that girls needed to broaden their horizons. Ffs. Why can't girls just sleep with who they find attractive? Men aren't owed sex.
And yes Helena she described herself as feminist. Hollow laugh.

Thanks for starting the thread OP because I wasn't sure if I was being a humourless feminist

Oh god Morris, the puns are truly dreadful

And frequently recycled.

I haven't listened to this (no BBC in my house). Was the son expressing a desire for a sexual relationship? Or an emotional one? Or did the mother decide he didn't know what he was missing?

Beginning, middle and end I hate the attitude that boys are sexual creatures and women are prepared to offer sex in exchange for something.

I remember being told that a son was good because you only have one penis to worry about (as a girls mother you have to worry about all the penises).

Kathy Lette has written a novel where the protagonist is arrested for trying to procure sexual services for her son in a red light zone. Ms Lette also has an autistic son and has not done this herself, although she has considered it, and asked male friends if they would do it. According to her autistic people are very "priapic" as it's so hard for them to find people willing to have sex with them. This is the fault of neurological girls for not being broadminded enough.
I don't fancy reading the book.

Here you go noni it was pretty much identical to this but verbal (sorry for the DM link)
www.google.co.uk/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4678298/amp/I-wanted-call-girl-teach-boy-sex-says-KATHY-LETTE.html

Her collection of short stories Girls' Night Out was one of the biggest piles of drivel I've ever read. And very misogynistic too.

hasitcometothis33

It was more do with what AdelicaArundel said about autism. About struggling with social learning. It's wrong for anybody to be encouraged think of women as commodities, but where someone lacks the social cues that they can interpret for themselves in order to counter it, I would think that was worse.

It wasn't meant to be offensive in any way.

How could the parent of a child with ASD i.e. a child who struggles with social learning think that using a woman to teach her child sex is a good idea.

she suggested early on that young girls weren't broad minded enough to consider a relationship with someone not neurological and that girls needed to broaden their horizons. Ffs. Why can't girls just sleep with who they find attractive? Men aren't owed sex.

Quentin, I haven't heard the programme and won't dignify it with increased listener numbers by looking for it.

The more I think about this, the more agog I am at the thought of any woman supporting this idea.

Here's the thing...like Ms Lette, I am the parent of a son with ASD.
I worry about his ability in social relationships across the board . I am not just focussed on his sexuality (bleurrgh). That is a private area of his life that he will develop himself. I have zero intent (and it would have never entered my mind) to pimp myself or him in order to procure a relationship with a girl for him.
Actually, I try to teach him about relationships with girls in exactly the same way that I teach him about all relationships....listen to the other person, respect other people's privacy and boundaries, enforce your own limits. In other words, how to have normal, human relationships.
I don't "buy" him a gang of mates...so where on earth is the mindset coming from that says he has to spend time with a prostitute.

Ah I see. So, she assumes sex will make her son more confident.

On what planet would visiting a prostite not be terrifying! I was caught in a brothel raid (don't even ask, i was dropping something off at a warehouse in the wee small hours) and it was fucking awful.

And is the lack of gf (I notice that's what he wanted - not sex) the only thing she wants to solve?

The whole thing is just horrible.

Um does she even know if her son masterbates? Cause if not what then?

I'm not in her position, maybe I have no right to comment. But i don't know what would have to change that I would pay for sex for anyone.

What's annoyed me even more is in the Daily Mail article she says he actually got a girlfriend and had an adult relationship age 20. She didn't mention that on the radio.
Maybe she should have had a bit more faith that other women would love her son for the same things she does rather than making out girls owe him sex .
Poor man as well with his mum talking about his sex life on the radio. Ugh.

Yes the bit about dating was weird too. Apparently the only woman who responded to his online dating profile was an 83 yr old woman who said she didn't like time wasters. Ha ha. I wasn't sure why this was meant to be funny.

I have tweeted woman's hour and Jennie Murray about it. My first original tweets normally I just madly like all the gender critical ones!

I didn't listen to this, precisely because I knew Kathy Lette was going to be on it. She makes me cringe with her fucking irritatingly rehearsed zany soundbite gobshitery.