"Woman" caught with extreme animal porn collection

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Wendy Jones, 54, could be seen celebrating as she left Liverpool Crown Court, where it was revealed she owned images of women having sex with horses, dogs and a pig, which she had been amassing for four years.
The court heard how Jones’ former partner, Kay Davies, reported her to the police after she showed her a photo of a young girl and and a man engaged in a sex act.
This is, of course, not a woman, but a transgender male, as the photos make evident. But if Jones is legally female, then their crimes will be added to the female statistics. And without the photos, there would have been no way to tell that Jones was transgender, as the article makes no mention of it.
How many sick, perverted crimes will be (and already are,) attributed to women, when they're actually committed by transgender males? And how is this right or fair? It makes me so furious
metro.co.uk/2017/07/28/woman-caught-with-extreme-animal-porn-collection-celebrates-after-avoiding-jail-6814335/#ixzz4oNGJomIX

Can I ask a potentially obvious question? Why are intact men being placed in women's prisons? If legislation is yet to come in, how is it that this is happening? That a man can claim to be a woman and be accommodated as such? Isn't there currently legislation against this?

That may be lots of obvious questions...

Scottish Prison Service already operates on a self-identification policy. England and Wales technically work on whether the inmate has a GRC, but increasingly, in practice, are housing inmates on self-identification of gender.

With regards to skewing of the statistics, it is worth pointing out that the average number of women convicted of extreme porn possession is 6 per year. Wendy Jones and now Kira Leverton have just increased the number of women committing this crime by 33% this year!

As far as I know, these are the latest guidelines

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/566828/transgender-review-findings-web.PDF\

They take care not to state directly that women may be at risk from other inmates with penises.

The main subject is the rights of the trans prisoner. Mostly there is an unstated assumption that this person is MtT. Discussion of women and their rights is reduced to 'potential risks' - clearly, our rights are secondary.

If someone has made an application for a gender recognition certificate, media disclosure (or indeed almost any disclosure) is prohibited by the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

Basically you'd need a Court order granting permission to refer to it in a commercial publication.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2004/7/section/22

This showed up on my Facebook feed.

fairplayforwomen.com/prisons-safe-space

Remember that infuriating recent article about "female" sex offenders? The one which led with a photo of a clearly male person? According to that - "NSPCC data also shows that between 2004 and 2009 there was a 132 per cent increase in the number of children reporting sexual abuse by a woman to ChildLine."

2004 is when the gender recognition act was enacted. Coincidence? I don't think so. I can only imagine that the numbers will sky rocket again now that the requirements to change gender have been further reduced.

Gingernaut

That's a good article

Paw

Yes. It's like the fucking Emperorr's New Clothes

..too many rs!

Pawpainting

Fucking hell! And I should imagine it's completely illegal to ask whether those people are transwomen?

Is it actually recorded? Anywhere?

This is why the "trans women are the most marginalised group....highest risk of suicide....highest rate of murder...." stuff annoys me. Because in the UK there is no way to know and the TRA movement doesn't want you to know by insisting the stats are lumped with women.
So you can't talk about violence to women without "centering" ffs transwomen as they "have highest murder rates". With no actual evidence.
Really annoys me.

If someone has made an application for a gender recognition certificate, media disclosure (or indeed almost any disclosure) is prohibited by the Gender Recognition Act 2004.

Application!?? So that application could have been unsuccessful, and the person is still legally their birth sex/gender, if they're referring to themselves as the opposite the media has to play along? Just when you think your brain can't explode any more.

Is it actually recorded? Anywhere?

I don't think so Datun. For reporting and statistical purposes, they are women with no distinction made. Shocking isn't it?

Fuck. That's worth invesigating

YY spell fail. Bed

With regards to skewing of the statistics, it is worth pointing out that the average number of women convicted of extreme porn possession is 6 per year. Wendy Jones and now Kira Leverton have just increased the number of women committing this crime by 33% this year!

We can't be sure that those 6 are all women either. I'd bet that at least some are trans-identified males. Jones and Leverton are just the ones we know about.

Indeed. I took the figures from someone on twitter who posted stats in response to the Wendy Jones case. She said there were 61 cases over the last 10 years, so should be more accurate than just looking at the last year. But we will never know for sure.

I dunno Betsy - the changes were implemented in 2004 so theoretically all 61 women in the last 10 years could be male. I doubt it's that extreme but I bet a large proportion are.

Occasionally you'll get some wanker MRA on here pointing out that women use porn too, and, in fact how it's on the increase. MSM also brings it up, occasionally.

How absolutely galling is it, if the statistics are actually skewed because of identity politics?

I can't believe there is absolutely no way of knowing. That's dangerous.

Are they suddenly going to be implementing different policies in sex education because of the increase of females accessing porn? Without knowing if it's true?

Indeed. I took the figures from someone on twitter who posted stats in response to the Wendy Jones case. She said there were 61 cases over the last 10 years, so should be more accurate than just looking at the last year. But we will never know for sure

I don't suppose that any of this is public? I'd love to do some tracing of the individuals involved.

And this is the terrifying thing. Unless we have photos or there is stuff on social media, the truth is hidden. The damage to women is incalculable

It's also very easy for a man to go through birth records and find the name of a woman with the same birth date. He can have his birth cert changed to that woman's name. When he commits a crime, the papers will say "Wendy Jones, 54" and that's what will be on the record. Innocent woman will have her identity permanently confused with a perverted man in a dress. And when your descendants research you, they will find out that you were a sex offender.

I'm finding it really hard to read or participate in threads about trans, because it makes me so incredibly angry, and it seems to be everywhere. I've been avoiding these threads, and I've only read the first page of this one.

But, what I wanted to say was that this reminded me of a comment I saw on Gender Critical Reddit - about the way in which men are taking over women's spaces. Different types of space were listed, including, and this is my point - statistical spaces.

Actually, I was thinking about this earlier today for some reason. And wondering what legal contortions are going to have to be performed to enable the recording of statistics of rapes committed by women. I'm in the UK, where as I understand it, rape can only be committed by a man, i.e., a human being who has a penis.

Sorry if this is a bit scrambled. Was up at 5am today to travel back from holiday in Iceland.

Seeingadistance You're right about rape definition in England & Wales, but very rarely a woman can be prosecuted for the crime as an accessory for assisting a man to commit a rape.

Interestingly, the law in E&W refers to 'his' penis, but the law in Scotland refers to 'a person's' penis - so I guess, technically a TIF could be prosecuted for rape.

Another case from the last year which fits this offence is Alice Smith article here

All this is really distorting the stats!

I've been going round in circles on ons.gov.uk trying to find the source for 6 women per year committing this crime. Got stats for the last 10 years for the crime of 'Obscene publications, etc and protected sexual material' but it's not broken down into M/F. Have asked the person who tweeted about this for the source, but just wondered if anyone else looked for them?