"Woman" caught with extreme animal porn collection

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Wendy Jones, 54, could be seen celebrating as she left Liverpool Crown Court, where it was revealed she owned images of women having sex with horses, dogs and a pig, which she had been amassing for four years.
The court heard how Jones’ former partner, Kay Davies, reported her to the police after she showed her a photo of a young girl and and a man engaged in a sex act.
This is, of course, not a woman, but a transgender male, as the photos make evident. But if Jones is legally female, then their crimes will be added to the female statistics. And without the photos, there would have been no way to tell that Jones was transgender, as the article makes no mention of it.
How many sick, perverted crimes will be (and already are,) attributed to women, when they're actually committed by transgender males? And how is this right or fair? It makes me so furious
metro.co.uk/2017/07/28/woman-caught-with-extreme-animal-porn-collection-celebrates-after-avoiding-jail-6814335/#ixzz4oNGJomIX

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/kellie-maloney-tried-strangle-wife-5920750.amp

*He added: "The guidelines tell me that after a trial, the maximum I could sentence you to would be 12 months in prison. Because of your guilty plea, I have to lower that to eight months.

"If you were imprisoned, you would serve only half of that before being released on license. You would be behind bars for only four months.

"That is a waste of time*

I think the above is a general statement re the laxity of child pornography sentencing guidelines generally - not just because the accused is trans, though (???). I do get the complexity of sentencing the accused to a prison term given their gender identity.

Bloody hell. I have to naively admit that I didn't realise the stats were already being skewed.

How the fuck is this being allowed to happen?

Just what do you do with them though.i mean one blatantly is a man he will have full man parts you can't put him in a women's prison.

Someone like kellie Maloney though I mean I guess if she was in for drugs or shop lifting it would be one thing butbshe strangled the wife she's violent and was once an adult make her build is such that she's still bigger and stronger than alot of women but having had the sugery shes not safe n a man's prison either.

Someone in kellie's position I mean anyone really if they told me they had change their name and were living as a women id call them what they asked me too. I'd not do anything g but treat them as id treat anyone else. If people want to surgically alter their bodies that's up to them and no judgement from me on that.

But I can't say I'd be happy sharing a cell with someone who had been violent and was twice my size after living as a man most their life...

Where do they go.

Gileswithachainsaw

Male rape in prison is rife. Whatever you identify as. It should absolutely be addressed. And people who are most likely to be targets should be accommodated.

But the very last thing you should do is put them in a female prison. It says much about our society that it is even considered as an option.

Are women really held in such low esteem that the only solution to male on male violence is to demand women take the risk instead?

Thatsbthr most confusing thing though isn't it. That no ones fighting to use the men's.

Do people who are transitioning to be a man do they fight to go to men's prison and use men's spaces?

The thing that confuses me the most is the disconnect between saying in one breath that trans women have a legitimate fear of.violence and must be protected and in the next, decrying women's fear of violence as unfounded prejudice.

I increasingly feel I'm living in 1984.

Do people who are transitioning to be a man do they fight to go to men's prison and use men's spaces?

I suppose, technically they could. I seriously doubt anyone has, though.

I'm not hearing of any transmen campaigns to get into the men's toilets, changing rooms or prisons.

Neither am I hearing of any campaigns by men to keep them out.

Male athletes aren't
suddenly worried that they might be beaten by a transman.

Gay men aren't being hounded out of their bars by transmen demanding they sleep with them.

And men aren't the slightest bit concerned about their rights been erased, nor are they worried about the definition of 'man' being changed to include some women.

It's almost as if this debate has everything to do with biological sex.

Funny that.

Yes very strange datan

I mean I've only ever met 2 or three trans people. One was a complete cow but that was all he personality not anything to do with anything else.

The others were just regular people who you'd say hi to when you pass in the street or chat too in the supermarket queue. They were originally I guess what you'd think the main fight was about. Trying to get on with their lives do their jobs and see their friends free of abuse/discrimination which of course absolutely they should be able to do.

Is this though, is this kind of thing really what the regular community want. Isnt some of this really just a dilemma they expected to face and ultimately deal with on a case by case basis when it cropped up?

FurryGiraffe

I've been thinking about this. Because to me it's a bit of a no-brainer.

I've come to the conclusion it's about numbers. And about isolated incidents of men being violent still does not have the collective term 'male violence'.

So you can say women are worried about male violence in the same way the transwomen are. But the issue will be with the numbers. So one transwoman in a bathroom full of men would be deemed at risk, because he's outnumbered.

But the same transwoman in a prison or locker room full of women will not be deemed a risk. Because he's outnumbered.

'Male violence' as a collective term, despite being a problem in and of itself, gets disregarded because of odds. Therefore it cannot be used as a description in the debate. Or if it is, it doesn't seem to have any leverage.

Unsurprisingly. It never had any leverage in the media anyway. Every single day there are reports of men who are violent, but the term male violence is never used. Dots are never connected. Violent men are constantly othered, to separate them from the class of men as a whole. It's very effective. It means the default is always men are nice, until proven otherwise. Then they are completely different.

Which may or may not be true. But since men don't come with a label, it's a useless distinction.

Gileswithachainsaw

I imagine it always was dealt with on a case by case basis, which makes sense. But then, there were only very few transsexuals 20 or 30 years ago.

As soon as the term transgender replaced transsexual, it allowed people who would never have been considered transsexual to come under the umbrella. So cross dressers, autogynephiles, etc. Men for whom misogyny is the default.

It is these men who are making all the headlines, both in terms of activism and in terms of crimes committed by them.

What they don't seem to realise is that women have a radar. Women can see creep written across their foreheads at fifty paces. The same way you can see 'harmless' over some of your trans friends.

Unfortunately, because of transactivism, we are now in a come one, come all situation.

And I'm not prepared to accept that.

freeingky.com/2015/07/20/fighting-for-a-trans-man-in-prison-the-sad-reality/

I can't work out if this is relevant or not - but it's the story of a young FtT who was raped and charged with killing their attacker.

What struck me was that the analysis is all about how Ky is neglected by activists because 'he is a man'. The point is made that even FtTs are not interested in him, because they are more focussed on violence against women.

I read it more as violence against MtFs is recognised because of the 'M' factor, whereas violence against FtMs is ignored because violence against women is always ignored.

They are in a women's prison, btw.

Unfortunately, because of transactivism, we are now in a come one, come all situation

And damaging the entire cause surely?

And damaging the entire cause surely

I don't think there is one cause. I think the interests and goals of the older-style transsexuals (and some young people with dysmorphia) are quite different from the vocal TRAs.

Got that article. It's like they've drunk the Kool-Aid, thrown it up and then drunk that.

No one gives a fuck about Ky, because she is female. Not because she's a 'man'.

The author of that article seemed surprised that all his transwomen friends weren't the slightest bit interested in advocating for Ky.

(A completely involuntary snort just escaped).

Datun - yes the doublethink produced head explosions, doesn't it?

YetAnotherSpartacus

Head explosions

I usually stead clear of the 'trans' threads on here...but I'm beginning to get it at last.

He's clearly a man ffs (at least there is a picture of him to raise this to people's attention) however, article is completely misleading and makes it sound like a lesbian couple.

It's not on, women getting a bad rap for a man's actions.

It's not on, women getting a bad rap for a man's actions

Yes - and this screws crime statistics as well ... and there is also the question of where to put trans prisoners, many of whom still have penises - men's or women's facilities?

Identifying as a women....the ultimate 'get out of jail free card' for men
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Wtf eh, wtf

men's or women's facilities?
Seperate prisons for trans women ?

schoolgaterebel

It's not on, women getting a bad rap for a man's actions.

You may not realise it, but that's a very, very common issue.

Current threats include women being blamed for male violence because it is predominantly women who raise boy children. Despite the fact that they also raise girls who are not violent.

And women, particularly feminists, being blamed wholesale for the violence that transwomen suffer. Despite the most at-risk group being transwomen of colour who operate as prostitutes. And are killed by men. As are all murdered prostitutes.

And that's just today!

Possibly separate facilities ... but that raises other questions re cost and location. AFAIK most prisoners are sent to the appropriate facility closest to their home / people who will visit them. There have been outcries when prisoners have been incarcerated far from home. How many trans facilities would we need for how many people? And, how will this segue with moves towards a legislative acceptance where gender is a protected characteristic and where it is argued that people should have a right to be treated as the gender of their choice and access facilities accordingly?

Intact men, complete with penis, are already being places in womens prisons.

Murderer Paris Green (born Peter Laing), thrown out of womens prison for having sex with female prisoners.
metro.co.uk/2017/02/05/transgender-murderer-moved-from-womens-prison-after-having-sex-with-female-inmates-6429321/

Convicted rapist Jessica Winfield, formerly Martin Ponting, moved to womens prison. Laing is now detransitioning and having his breast implants removed.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rapist-jessica-winfield-martin-ponting-transgender-transition-womens-prison-moved-hmp-bronzefield-a7640706.html

^ I've been posting similar examples to the chat thread to get the message across re what our concerns are...

Currently, not all are sent to women's facilities. I'm worried that it will become compulsory for judges to allow this...