Is this true? Paris Lees again

[MagicalRealist]

Just checking, do trans people have to expose themselves to their doctors and is there no law about changing room access?

From an article on the pool www.the-pool.com/news-views/opinion/2017/30/paris-lees-on-talking-about-trans-suicide-not-toilets

The trouble with having people in the armed forces who are only able to perform non combat roles is that it means that those who are capable have to go on active service more often to compensate, which is obviously unfair on them and their families.
I have a child who had been through the application process, you fail the medical for so many commonplace things and anxiety and depression are a huge no no, you can fail for having mild excema for goodness sake the list is extensive.

There are lots of support roles that are never expected to go on active service though, surely?

wigglybeezer

Well precisely. Personnel should be fit for all the roles required.

This is the problem with affording civil rights to gender identity as a group.

In real life, statistically, trans people as a cohort, have other mental health issues.

It would have to involve psychoanalysis of an already 'at risk' group, to determine how mentally healthy they are.

If there's one thing the trans-lobby pushes, it's the suicidal ideation of the group. The depression and anxiety. Problems with hormones. The surgery and ongoing problems that it generates.

It's a little rich to then turn round and claim that none of those things matter when they have already decided that those things matter so much they should be afforded their own set of of civil rights.

Having depression, anxiety about your sense of self and thoughts of suicide, can be accommodated in all sorts of jobs, but fighting on the front line, isn't one of them.

Having said that, I've been seeing transmen coming out saying it's not fair.

If you had to pick a set of characteristics from either group, I would pick those displayed by transmen as being more conducive.

I suppose that's a product of feeling that masculinity, as a trait is more useful than merely being male, if you are fighting.

"A US chap* on the Today Programme was questioned (with a very long and inclusive question) about 'Trump's ban' and got a clear 'unit cohesion' answer, that the military were not there to reflect the make up of society, and that for a group with a 40% suicide rate it was a kindness not to put people in that situation."

That's not a bad way to put it.

If anyone wants to listen to that US chap, will take you to the IPlayer of the show, they start talking to him around 1:52 in, the transgender question comes up around 1:56. He is Dr Sebastian Gorka, Deputy Assistant to the President.

Oops, wrong link, sorry folks - www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08ylrm4

Still not the correct link, I don't think.

You can't really define active service these days. It could be a combat role doing peace enforcement or being a clarinet player mentoring the military band of Nigeria and dozens of other things in between.

All service personnel are supposed to be fully deployable, it's complex but in a nutshell, if you have suicidal ideation you won't be deployable as you won't be allowed to access a weapon therefore can't do your mandatory pre deployment and annual training. So bad argument. Very bad argument.

Thinking about the trump ban, I wonder if this has got the traction it has because of the marked prevalance of a military background for late transitioning males? From my unscientific POV, when I read about stories from late transitioning males, the two occupations that are way, way over-represented are military and tech. I assume that for people who are struggling with their sense of masculinity, it makes sense to over compensate your fear of not being "manly" enough and go for the most masculine career you can think of. I wonder if that's a factor here?

PoochSmooch

I thought that too re the military. From what I can tell they don't struggle with their masculinity, as such. They're made up largely of autogynephiles.

That idiot who filmed himself pretending to sob outside the casino because they wouldn't let him use the ladies. He has other videos of himself dancing in a bikini, but in the pre-transition ones he's wielding a gun, talking about bitcoin and banging on about his 10 years in the military.

And Zoey Tur who threatened Ben Shapiro with going home in an ambulance, because he had the nerve to call him Sir.

Those are the most worrying. The huge sense of entitlement, military background and sexual motivation.

Dear God, I can't believe we're on the brink of giving civil rights to these people to allow them access.

As I said on another thread about this article, I've had to show my GP (and plenty of other medical professionals) my "private parts" on numerous occasions. It's not humiliating, it's healthcare.

On the GRC point

The GRP is part of Her Majesty’s Courts and Tribunals Service (HMCTS). The panel comprises judicially trained legal and medical members and is supported by an administrative team. The applicant is not required to appear in person and the panel sit in private to consider the documentary evidence.

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/598269/tribunal-grc-statistics-q3-2016-17-guide.pdf

...And Genital surgery is not requirement however if this has taken place then the applicant must provide details.

italic fail

That article is terrible. Paris wants to talk about suicide rates, but then.....Doesn't....

Datun
If there's one thing the trans-lobby pushes, it's the suicidal ideation of the group.

I agree with this. You cannot train a person in ballistics, weaponry, bombs and then give them a gun if the suicidal ideation is at best, 40% and worst 60%. As the saying goes unit cohesion. Sometimes, despite the rigorous training involved, suicide homicides happen in combat (sometimes put under friendly fire - controversial I know - but it has been documented). You cannot put a cohort of people in this situation because, simply put, it's the economy stupid. Consider the compensation costs.

Also consider Germanwings and the co pilot who committed suicide

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

The compensation payout that the company pays out to relatives will be substantial.

And now having agreed with the Trump, I'm going to wash my teeth and use brain bleach.