Teen Vogue article

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Someone has "Tweeted" defending "that" Teen Vogue article. I don't really know the point of me starting this thread - just wanted somewhere to vent. She has done it in response to people criticising it and said that teenagers would have anal sex regardless and that the article could be educational.

I'm quite upset.

[MNHQ have edited the title and the OP very slightly due to privacy concerns].

No need to apologise about the rose thing Datun, I'd much rather discover it via a written description on here than see anything, ANYTHING visual related to that.

One of my husband's female friends asked him recently if we had anal - her husband had nagged her so persistently about it that she gave in and agreed to it, she cried the whole time but he carried on. My husband very firmly said that wasn't right. She's mid thirties and felt bullied, imagine the pressure teens feel (and I speak as someone who got pressured into a hell of a lot by my abusive teenage boyfriend and couldn't have said no).

Sorry to hear of your experience with the abusive boyfriend Rex. It's awful to hear of that happening with your husband's friend as well and hope she feels able to take this up with her husband now, especially after your husband spoke to her about it. What her husband did is abhorrent and another way in which some men and boys are able to view women as existing solely for their sexual gratification.

To me this article very much normalises this and ingrains in girls from a young age it's something they should consider, combined with the pressure from boys to do it.

I appreciate that consenting adults are allowed to practise it but my personal opinion is that I do not want to do it and I object to it being 'normalised' for anyone, let alone promoting it as something young girls should do.

This is the response to complaints from the Teen Vogue editor, a gay man. He also said "...feminism is liberation not just for women, but for people in general..."

He seems a delight Datun.

Ok, that's just bloody rude.

Ah, same old misogyny, designer clothes.

Sigh.

I swear to God, if I hear one more fucking person say that feminism is about the rights of everybody...

No it isn't. Fem, fem, FEM!

Absolutely it is promoting it. Why can't it be an article about saying no and feeling ok about it? It is frankly a hideous state of affairs when people think it is ok that thirteen year olds are encouraged partake in this particular activity that is, let us not forget, disliked by three quarters of women. Let's be honest here, penises don't belong in anuses.

If you want to write an article for young questioning boys, put it on one of the zillion LGBT websites, or into a men's health magazine.

Don't 'market' the whole premise to 13 year old girls.

And no wonder it was all about prostate owners and non-prostate owners and the clitoris was nowhere to be seen.

And don't even think of hiding behind your gay credentials, either. I am a mother and I have absolutely no problem calling you out.

And in case anybody is in any doubt, I am fully supportive of the LGB community.

Oh my goodness, that reply is horrendous. Absolutely no care or concern for the culture he and his magazine are contributing to amongst young girls. Oh, and how fortunate we are to have a man to explain to us what feminism is for - some of us were probably mistakenly concentrating on women when we should be attempting to liberate everyone (preferably men first I imagine, though from what I'm not sure).

Today 17:17 SerendipityFelix

Ok, that's just bloody rude.

see - we do agree !

feminism is liberation not just for women, but for people in general

No it isnt

Clue is in the fucking name

That picture I posted had 10,000 likes. Ten fucking thousand. Don't tell me this is not a wholesale erosion of women (without clitorises).

I don't understand how this article could be published in a magazine for teenage girls. It is not from the perspective of a teenage girl, and merely touches on female enjoyment.

I don't think anal sex is a subject that teen vogue should avoid, but given that we know:
Most girls don't enjoy it
Most girls do it under pressure
Boys want to do it because of the influence of porn, and porn misrepresents female pleasure
Most girls are given information about PIV sex only from the point of view of avoiding pregnancy and STIs
Most girls are not given information about what they may actually enjoy - I have scrolled through the sexual health and identity section and didn't see anything

Then I think that there are lots of ways to cover it that would be more relevant to the readership.

Non prostate owner and vagina owner are horrible.

I've just been looking at teen vogues site, and was confused about the readership it's trying to attract. It has an article about tattoos next to one about Disney princesses

According to a guardian feature, they see their readership as 18-24 year olds who are genderless. (An, admittedly old, survey said the median age is 24)

Looks like the editor is just as clueless about the word teen as he is about feminism.

I know plenty of women in their early twenties who read Vogue, I doubt most would bother with Teen Vogue. Surely 18-24 is a bit off.

Looks like the editor is just as clueless about the word teen as he is about feminism.

And flips the finger to anyone who disagrees.

Nice.

'Teen' is, by definition 13-19. 19 year olds will consider themselves too old. 11 year olds will consider themselves old enough.

Like to the guardian article www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2017/feb/25/teen-vogue-readers-consider-themselves-activists

BigDeskBob I didn't mean to sound like I was questioning you there, if that's how it came across, only that I'd doubt their impression of their readership if they aren't able to back that up. Sorry, just realised my post was ambiguous.

No, I didn't take it like that.

I've just spent a bit of time investigating teen vogue and teen magazines in general. It seems that, in the US at least, magazine have problems maintaining teen readerships and end up attracting readers in their mid twenties. Which is fine, but if they want to have this sort of content, I think they should drop the "teen"

The point on feminism meaning rights for all ..... I work for a large international company. Our Women's Society has been renamed Balance. Because we want to bring the men along with us in our journey - we wouldn't want to scare them off or make them feel left out. After all, we don't hate men. This has been said to me quite a few times by some of my female colleagues in response to me questioning what the fuck is the point of the women's Society/network. The head of this network is a woman who has publicly said that she would never call herself a feminist (no shit). The name changing decision was taken by the female committee. Is this Stockholm Syndrome? I'm not being entirely facaetious ... how does this happen??

"Is this Stockholm Syndrome?"

Its women and girls not being allowed to say no to men. That's what this anal sex article is saying - don't say no until you know you don't like it, try in once, maybe twice or p'hps you aren't doing it right, try these tips. Its the same at your work, men don't like women talking together, so rather than say no, they "bring them along". Women and girls are taught to compromised, even when there is nothing in it for them.

I agree that they should drop the word teen if their target audience is adults.

In the UK at least, something with teen in the title would be more likely appeal to younger teens and preteens. The language in the article is also quite young.