Twitter and where to begin with comments about "terfs"

[MagicalRealist]

Hi, I'm just wondering how to deal with it when people I follow on twitter, whose views I normally agree with and respect, post things about "terfs" and transphobia. As in, is it worth engaging? What can you actually say in 140 characters that could make them think about it more critically when they're clearly at the liberal knee jerk automatic support for transactivism stage?

Its a general question although prompted by something specific yesterday. Someone retweeted comments from people who'd criticised the Mya Byrne "i punch terfs" t.shirt post, calling them transphobic. And there were comments below that in reply to them, mocking the term 'gender critical' as being similar to something the KKK would say about race.

Anyway, I ended up unfollowing the person without saying anything in response to their tweets because I didn't really know where to begin and didn't have the emotional energy to engage properly. It's bothering me that I didn't say anything though and I'm just wondering how other people deal with this kind of thing?

What can you say that might actuallybe constructive as opposed to just registering your disapproval?

I'd say you find transgender ideology homophobic and abusive to children. Fight fire with fire. Only if you have an anon handle though.

And regressive and neoliberal. Obsessed with the individual. Totally disinterested in the material welfare of third world women who can't identify out of their oppression.

You're right butter, that would probably be more thought provoking (for them) than mentioning women's rights.

The homophobia and child abuse issues, that is.

And yeah, referencing poor and definitely unprivileged women in 3rd world so they can't just shout "white feminism" in response.

Thank you, that's brilliant.

OP, I'm not on Twitter, but I feel for you, I really do. If you engage with anything other than 100% acceptance, you will get targeted.

The man in question is a violent misogynistic activist. He is a member of the baseball carrying, male lesbian cohort who infiltrate dyke marches.

Aged 40, he wrote a sickening poem about his younger self masturbating into his sister's underwear.

But this will all count for nothing if you misgender him. You will be the bigot.

gendertrender.wordpress.com/

Link.

Such a 'woman'...

Could you ask them why "TERFs" are their worstest enemy that they have to threaten at all opportunities, when actually, it is men who kill (rather fewer than they TRAs would like to admit) transwomen?
When actually, there is not one known case where a female feminist has ever physically harmed a transwoman?

Why is verbal "misgendering" worse than raping a transman? Is it because men also rape men, and raping a transman respects his gender identity, even if it is vaginal rape which he could get pregnant from?

I'd really like to know that.

(Probably you'll get a bullshit answer, but it'd be interesting to see what lame excuse they come up with)

Why is verbal "misgendering" worse than raping a transman? Is it because men also rape men, and raping a transman respects his gender identity, even if it is vaginal rape which he could get pregnant from?

Interesting one. Because the line is that misgingering invalidates a person. And that invalidation leads to their death. Because people kill other people over the lack of understanding about their gender identity. Nothing to do with an irrefutable understanding of their sex.

I really want to have a twitter account just to be a back up for all the great 'terfs' on there.

But I have no idea how twitter works. I'm old.

Because people kill other people over the lack of understanding about their gender identity.

No, men kill other people. For all sorts of reasons. It is male violence, and I think even the deluded trans allies know this, deep down.

Male trans wanted to invade Michfest, a festival by women, for women, where men were not allowed.
No person who really fears "terfs" would ever want to go somewhere there he's guaranteed to be surrounded by lots of lesbians and feminists most of whom don't buy his gender identity nonsense.

They do not really fear radical feminists. They just pretend to, and the stupid handmaidens swallow it, hook, line, and sinker, despite how obviously it is not true.

But I have no idea how twitter works. I'm old.

Just try it out. (I don't have a twitter account myself, but really, how hard can it be? Most social media are easy to figure out, they wouldn't be used by teens to stupid to correctly identify someone's biological sex, otherwise)

Probably is easy. But whenever I look at a twitter link it 'jumps' within the conversation whenever I try to see more of it and I can never find out how to see a whole conversation in a linear fashion.

I must be missing something obvious...

VestalVirgin

Totally agree. It's male violence.

And I just openly resolved on another thread to always name it as such...

I really would like to hear how the conversation would go though re feminists saying transwomen are men and so causing their deaths.

In terms of sex workers what exactly would the john say? Would feminists have been able to influence him? If five of them ran in and said that's a woman, fool, would he change his mind?

No person who really fears "terfs" would ever want to go somewhere there he's guaranteed to be surrounded by lots of lesbians and feminists most of whom don't buy his gender identity nonsense

Brilliant point.They don't 'fear' us because they regard us a meek, mild women deep down. Easy to stamp on regardless what we say to them. Patriarchy!

And I just openly resolved on another thread to always name it as such... Oh, it is okay, I saw that as you quoting what they say, anyway.

Just wanted to point out who is doing the killing.

In terms of sex workers what exactly would the john say? Would feminists have been able to influence him? If five of them ran in and said that's a woman, fool, would he change his mind?

Even more interesting, how do they think the john even knowns what feminists have to say on the matter?

Do they believe johns reglarly browse radfem blogs on the internet? Meet for a drink with the local radfem group?

I dunno, I was never consulted by a john on whether or not he should beat up transwomen prostitutes.

Indeed, never even once did a man ask my opinion on what kind of male violence he should perpetrate against anyone.

They also don't call me before murdering prostitutes! The cheek!
As a sex-negative radfem, I am clearly the local authority on that!
You'd think they'd ask me to reassure them that prostituted women are poor victims of trafficking, because if I told them the women they plan to kill were empowerfulized "sex workers", I am sure they'd say: "Oh, okay, then murdering them is not okay? Okay then, I will just be nice and respectful and tip generously."

This makes no sense at all, but considering that the whole trans ideology is built on believing things that make no sense, that's no surprise.

If you are using twitter in your own name be very careful about interacting on threads about trans/terfs op. Especially if any of the post or rt's involve people with lots of followers, lefty men seem to get a real kick out of using suspected terfdom as a free pass to indulge in some good old fashioned misogyny.
In your case i would maybe just reply that you disagree that violence against women and girls will solve this issue & unfollow.
Looks like glosswitch has deleted her account, the abuse that she and Helen Lewis etc get when they discuss this stuff is frightening.

Oh, never use your real name on twitter to interact with the trans idiots. Never. They are violent misogynists. Make sure they do not have access to any of your data.

"In your case i would maybe just reply that you disagree that violence against women and girls will solve this issue"

I'm not on Twitter either but I can imagine the response to that being something like, "but they've committed violence against us by questioning our identity/misgendering us." And then what do you say to that? You either accept their use of the term violence and go with "two wrongs don't make a right" -which I imagine is unthinkable to most of us. Or you challenge them on what violence means, and then you're in the territory of arguing about what words mean. In trans town, the answer to that is usually "nothing" or "whatever I want it to."

It's infuriating. Trans activists don't just jump through linguistic hoops to promote their agenda. They get the hoops, smash them, jump up and down on them, and then take a piss on them for good measure.

Using my real name, I would not at all disagree with the trans group. They see even polite disagreement as reason to threaten violence.

Safest to engage them under a pseudonym that you use nowhere else, and for nothing else they could identify you by.

I'm not on Twitter either but I can imagine the response to that being something like"but they've committed violence against us by questioning our identity/misgendering us."

I think "Bollocks, you biological ignoramus" would just about cover it.

The purpose of transactivists is to bully, abuse, insult and confuse.

There is no other option.

Only possible positive to emerge from engaging with them is to expose the misogyny. To lurkers.

That's it.

I'm not on Twitter either but I can imagine the response to that being something like"but they've committed violence against us by questioning our identity/misgendering us."

Put your parental hat on and remind them that "two wrongs don't make a right". If they're going to argue like toddlers, argue back like a toddler's parent.

Although, as everyone says, not under your own name - these are the kind of people who turned up at a peaceful women's march, calling themselves trans-dykes and wielding baseball bats - so they're not the most aware or balanced of individuals.