Male TERFS...

[Terfing]

This is something which has been bothering me for while. As more and more people hit 'peak trans', more and more men are being gender critical. The most famous examples being Tucker Carlson, Ricky Gervais, and Piers Morgan. The other day, Graham Linehan (writer of Father Ted and IT Crowd) tweeted about the misogyny of calling women terfs. The response he received was half negative/ half positive, but the negative posts contained no death/ rape threats (as a lot of attacks on female terfs usually do). For example, the reaction to Jenni Murray was largely negative, with the positive responses being anonymous.

It seems that men are being taken more seriously than women on this issue. Linehan is not experiencing the same backlash Jenni got. I think people see his opinion as more valid than hers.

My point is, and I hate to say this, but we need men to help more people reach 'peak trans' and for the issue to be taken more seriously. It's safer for men to do this as their not in danger of losing their jobs, credibility etc, in the same way that women are.

Here is Graham Linhan's Twitter which shows you what he said: twitter.com/Glinner

Thoughts?

[Miffer]

Well at least we can't call them hypocrites on this issue, they treat transwomen the same as women when it comes to online abuse.

They really fucking go for Miranda Yardley (who never let's them get the last word). I came across Jenn Smith (another gender critical transwoman) the other day, they went for her* too calling her a fetishist and a perv, she hit back magnificently with "Okay let's imagine I am a perv, how can anybody tell the difference between me and a non-perv in the womens locker room?".

[Datun]

TalkingintheDark

You're right, it is like a cult. Right down to the vilification of detransitioners.

And the ever narrowing definition of what is and isn't acceptable. The constant moving of the goalposts to create a smaller and smaller space of dissent. Ever changing, ever narrowing.

Normalisation is the right word. Things that yesterday sounded ludicrously stupid, are today taken as read.

I'm sorry for your past experiences and doubly sorry that you find any correlations with this.

[TalkingintheDark]

Thanks Datun.

And yy to the ever moving goalposts. Even the trans allies can't keep up and constantly venture unwittingly into "transphobic bigot" territory, even as they're trying to be supportive. It would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic.

Anyway, I'm glad some men are speaking out on the side of reason; it goes some way to balancing out all the dreadful SJW men who take pride in attacking women and think themselves so progressive for doing so. Fucking nasty little shits. It really boils my piss the way it has become socially acceptable for those men to openly display their contempt for women in supposedly right-on circles, for them to take pride in being misogynist arsewipes.

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

I posted this on The I Like Dick thread but it's not just male SJWs you need to worry about. My husband pointed this out, saying he got halfway through it and gave up.

"They" are so pleased with "themselves" "they" must be at risk of spontaneous combustion caused by their sheer awesomeness.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/may/21/transparents-jill-soloway-the-words-male-and-female-describe-who-we-used-to-be

[Fliptophead]

TERF is so obviously a slur and not an accurate descriptor of anything unless people genuinely think Piers Morgan and Clarkson are Radical feminists..

[Fliptophead]

RuPaul is another one being given shit for "transphobia" seriously.

Ru mother fucking Paul a fucking legend in gender bending is a transphobic bigot for saying "tranny" and apparently so full of cis privilege he doesn't know how offensive he is. . Because a transvestite isn't allowed to use the word tranny because obviously it always really meant transgender. In this world where we can change meanings willy nilly

[BigDeskBob]

It has taken me about five attempts to read the article lass linked to, but I'm glad I did it. The author obviously had a lot of wtf moments. It was telling that they topped and tailed the piece with how much Soloway cared about her appearance, the first spending hours in make up, the second trying not to look feminine.

I thought the quote "It’s more like I had the realisation that the word cis didn’t work for me, so first there was the ‘not-cis’ revelation, which linguistically means the same thing as trans" was interesting. For an obviously intelligent women to say that is odd, especially one who talks about feminism so much.

Unless trans is a convenient bandwagon to jump on to get your work noticed.

[Terfing]

Haha @ Piers Morgan being a radical feminist!

[Bambambini]

Well my husbsnd gets it, i think the sports issues are pretty clear cut for most folk to see how ridiculous it is.

Also had my first conversation on it with my 14 yr old son this morning who turns out is very gender critical and was rolling his eyes at SJW's and their safe spaces.

[YouMayVeryWellThinkThat]

This might inspire a few more men to join the cause: attitude.co.uk/a-lot-of-gay-men-are-gay-men-as-a-consolation-prize-because-they-couldnt-be-women-says-trans-author-juno-dawson/

“I think there are a lot of gay men out there who are gay men as a consolation prize because they couldn’t be women. That was certainly true of me.” - Juno Dawson

[LassWiTheDelicateAir]

I'm lost for words.

[kua]

There is a lot of discussion on Twitter.

[Terfing]

Dawson gives me the creeps! Why are they even famous? What's their talent?

[PoochSmooch]

Bloody hell.

Could the homophobia be any more transparent?

It honestly blows my mind that people see this as a progressive stance. This is how people talked about being gay in the 80s in the wee village I grew up in - that being gay is effeminate, that it means gay men are really women, that they're not "real" men.

WE ARE GOING BACKWARDS.

[user1487175389]

It's really offensive. I've known a lot of gay men and they're all very happy being exactly that. I hope they'll see this and fight back.

[Fliptophead]

Except aren't most of them 'lesbians'?

[AdalindSchade]

Trans women are often 'lesbians' (heterosexual males who fetishise women's bodies and eroticise themselves as women) or they are 'straight' (homosexual males who for various reasons, often internalised homophobia or highly homophobic families view themselves as really heterosexual women) Juno Dawson is the latter. Juno's views are highly offensive as gay men have been viewed as wannabe women or failed women for decades and they went through years of activism to throw off that belief and claim their identities as gay men

[boldlygoingsomewhere]

Juno Dawson is a YA author.

I can see that article causing quite a backlash. Have Pink News covered it yet?

[Fliptophead]

Pink news is shit though. It happily reported on the Iranian football team that's so trans positive.

[Fliptophead]

Posted too early.

The football team that's made up of gay men who were forced to transition. So in other words a human rights violation for gay men. They've updated the article now to reflect it, but it was awful

[Datun]

I've read some of the studies, I think by Blanchard, who said that gay men will transition to be women because they want to attract straight men, not gay men.

Which is homophobia in the purest sense, I guess.

I had a long, drunken conversation with my boss (who was gay) years ago. He said several things that resonated with me.

One of them was that because they couldn't be married (this was a while ago) or because they didn't have children, certain milestones were very important to gay men. Like anniversaries, birthdays, Christmas, etc. There were fewer 'celebration days'. Which stuck with me. (So I always make a big deal out of these things, now).

He also said that, and this was only his opinion, that in his experience, gay men are always looking for a hero. A tall, dark handsome stranger. And although they realise the contradiction, they would like them to be straight. So overcome by feeling, that they can't help falling in love with another man.

I'm sure it's not like that for everyone, but whenever a man says he's really a woman, but remains attracted to men, bells go off for me.

[Fliptophead]

He also said that, and this was only his opinion, that in his experience, gay men are always looking for a hero. A tall, dark handsome stranger. And although they realise the contradiction, they would like them to be straight. So overcome by feeling, that they can't help falling in love with another man.


Which is basically a combination of the media's fantasies for women "tall dark man to save you"

And the one for Hetero men. A virgin who's overcome and submits to you only.

[Datun]

Shon Faye saying the same as Juno Dawson.

attitude.co.uk/its-not-homophobic-to-say-some-gay-men-are-actually-trans-i-should-know-i-was-one-of-them/

[Datun]

Seems Juno is getting some backlash from gay men who don't quite like being told they're doing gay all wrong.

mobile.twitter.com/AttitudeMag/status/867349180662075392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fgendertrender.wordpress.com%2F2017%2F05%2F25%2Fthe-gay-consolation-prize-by-juno-dawson%2F

[YouMayVeryWellThinkThat]

I've just read this response from a gay man.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/juno-dawson-attitude-magazine-interview-transgender-gay-man-lgbt-trans-woman-a7752701.html

The independent article also quotes Dawson as having said, "I just wanted to get f**d like a woman. That's what it's about. It's not about what hole it's going in"