Until we organise as well as the transactivists we're not going to stem the problem

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Everyone, regardless of race, creed or sex is entitles to the same human rights.

I have three issues with much of the current trans ideology:

1. The erosion of women's spaces, sports, achievements and quotas by biological males who wish to identify as females.

1. The transing (and therefore subjection to lifelong medical treatments, invasive surgery and potential sterilisation) of children for failure to comply with societally-imposed gender norms.

1. The erasure of lesbians, either by transing of potentially lesbian girls or by transwomen claiming to be lesbians.

The trans lobby is vocal and well funded. They have found an enormously soft target in schools/government/social care, all of whom unsurprisingly associate transgender with gay and lesbian issues and don't want to repeat the bigotry that gay and lesbian people were (and are) subjected to. Identity is not the same as sexual orientation. A person's sexual orientation treads on no-one else's rights. The same cannot be said for gender identity.

When articles, such as the recent transgender rapist one, appear in the press, the vast majority of comments show that the public is not fooled. Yet people keep quiet so as not to appear bigoted, thus allowing the movement to steamroller on at the expense of women and children.

I believe that the main target for opposition should be in our schools. Organisations such as Gires and Gendered Intelligence distribute material that promotes ideas such as pink and blue brains and that any child can choose whether to be a girl or a boy to impressionable children, backed up by teachers. Opposition to this is needed and it is not happening in any concerted way. I think a backlash has every chance of succeeding as there is huge latent support for it.

The average person in the street knows little to nothing of trans issues, but is likely to believe that a transwoman will have had his penis removed. The fact that in 2 weeks' time the Government is going to be debating replacing sex with gender identity as a protected characteristic is way off the radar of 99% of the population.

Mumsnet is brilliant in debating these issues, but we need to take it to the next level.

Front hole is nothing, we have pomegranit pee pee, doudleberrys & naughty doudleberrys

& there are you tube vids of transwomen putting tampons in

CoolJazz

Yes you're right, of course. Lesbians on Gendertrender get very sad for younger lesbians who reject their female sex by transitioning. They're all for rejecting femininity, but rejoicing in being female.

Whereas I think girls trying to escape the male gaze are rejecting being female and femininity is the first casualty to go.

I've copied this from another thread, it's from, ironically, Everyday Feminism.

Warning: headfuck

"What this means is that trans women who stop taking HRT for a few months can reverse sterilization and become pregnant with viable sperm."

So going back to the earlier questions about the constructed parts.....

www.refinery29.uk/transgender-vagina-surgery

Charlie - how utterly sad that Refinery article is.

How can the medical professionals that perform these surgeries sleep at night knowing the potential harm they are causing? It seems like this writer's dreams are far from fulfilled, even though she insists she "loves her pussy".

CharlieSierra

Sad and awful. The desire to have sex as the object of your desire has led to this.

Don't anyone tell me this is not a mental health issue. And the medical profession should be bloody well ashamed of themselves

I know, but if you look on Reddit and such they're all claiming multiple orgasms, screaming and writhing, naturally lubricating and are statistically far more reliably orgasmic than women so maybe the author of the piece is just unlucky or maybe they are all fantasists. I hope that realistic expectations are set prior to surgery.

I think they may have got their fantasies from this article. (And they try and tell you autogynephilia's not a thing...)

gendertrender.wordpress.com/2014/08/22/transvestic-body-sculpting-what-sex-reassignment-surgery-can-do-for-you/#comments

The third comment from the end is interesting as it contains some proper information.

"...the postop woman does not have to constantly suppress her arousals like men do. She can let herself get aroused any time she wants to, and can stay aroused for long periods of time without others “seeing anything”, just as many other women do (this is another reason so many women smile a lot!)"

Said no woman ever.

They have no idea. Sounds like an interpretation from Sally met Harry orgasm envy much :)

Multiple orgasms (now we're talking) are great but carrying and birthing children!!!! Creating and nuturing life, now that's fucking awesome. Wombs rock :)

Datun

I can never unsee those 'vagina panties'

Sorry Charlie!

Having a fetish is a particularly male issue. I'm sooo long past the 'OMG you think all transwomen are perverts, you bigot'.

Frankly, I don't care if they are or not. All this has served to do is to show exactly how many bloody pervs there are out there, trans or not.

And YES vagina panties are designed for transwomen. Who the hell else is going to buy them?

I know this is geographically limited, but did anyone else see this article in the London Standard by Samira Ahmed about gender neutral toilets at the Barbican?

(She's also just posted on Twitter that women are not non-men).

The transactivists are probably already organising their hate campaign so I'm going to write to the Standard tonight expressing agreement & appreciation.

And YES vagina panties are designed for transwomen. Who the hell else is going to buy them

No one, and they can only be meant for posing, looking at/photographing oneself wearing them. It's actually sickening.

Will go and support Samira on Twitter

Look, I'm not usually confused about these things but can someone explain to me how the vagina panties make penetrative sex possible for someone with a penis? Does this mean they can use their penis to penetrate or they are penetrated in a faux vagina made in the panties?

Also, I don't understand how they urinate "like a woman"?

This is all just too much.

I'm thinking of women I've seen on style and beauty threads (yes i do S&B and FWR blush) who have said they don't try with their appearance for a fear of being ridiculed for trying but failing.

I think for most hetero women who fail at femininity, it is a combination of not caring enough to learn, and not being able to do it well. Like, when I was a child, I just had better things to do than practicing to paint my face, and when I realized that this is apparently a necessary life skill for women, my peers were already past the badly-applied-makeup stage, and I would have looked ridiculous had I tried.

Also, I don't understand how they urinate "like a woman"?

Probably by sitting on the toilet, as women everywhere have tried to get the men living with them to do for centuries?

or they are penetrated in a faux vagina made in the panties?

This is my assumption. Although, I believe you can push through further (sorry!) into the neo vagina. They only have a few inches depth, so intercourse is never going to be the sort of thing that a hetero couple experience.

Look, I'm not usually confused about these things but can someone explain to me how the vagina panties make penetrative sex possible for someone with a penis? I might have misunderstood this, I assumed they were for show rather than in any way 'functional'

CharlieSierra

Okay, I took one for the team and looked it up. Mostly yes, you're quite right, they seem to be something that goes over the top of the penis. It hides the penis and...well I don't know what next. Seems a bit pointless to me. Unless it's so you can look in the mirror, endlessly.

I have read somewhere though, that you can get them with a hole at the back so that the neovagina can be penetrated. I can't find that anywhere now though.

Eeeeew!! That. Is. All. I did the same Datun

I knew I had to stop when I read the words "I've just bought a V-String with menstuation kit"

I can't lie, this condition must be awful. I'm reading about young men whose lives are blighted by it.

And yes, I do find it yuck. It is absolutely reducing a woman down to a plastic vagina.

And its got nothing to do with women.

It makes me more and more convinced that the first recourse should be psychological therapy. This seems like an expensive, clunky, painful, non-solution to me.

Does the menstruation kit come with PMT, nausea & bloating?

Oh dear. I am not going to Google anything further as I already had to look up the vagina panties and then accidentally left it in my phone browser so my DS fleetingly thought I was looking at photos of fanjos

Anyway, even looking at the vagina panties and reading the adverts didn't help me to understand them. And the answers here make me not want to investigate further. I find this all quite painful and disturbing in a way that I can't articulate.