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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

DD's school going co-ed - I'm really annoyed

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SomewhereOutThere · 18/01/2017 10:25

Am I allowed to talk about a private school issue in FC? I know that can be polarising in and of itself, but my particular issue here is about something I feel strongly about as a feminist so I hope this is okay.

We heard yesterday that DD2's prep school is going fully co-ed. (Currently there are a small number of boys up to year 2, a relatively recent change which came alongside an assurance that the school would be staying single sex to 11.) It won't directly affect DD's lessons - boys are being phased in so her year group will remain all girls until she leaves in 3 years. (Though there will be younger boys in her playground which will change the atmosphere I suspect.)

But I'm annoyed that:

  • There was no consultation with existing parents or (seemingly) staff, who were surprised.
  • A four page booklet about the change continually refers to adding extra facilities to be able to absorb two 'genders'.
  • The four page booklet also explains that staff will get extra training to refresh their prior experience/training in teaching co-ed to encompass 'the different ways in which girls and boys learn and their differing interests, strengths and weaknesses'. Makes me feel like there will be lots of the 'boys like science/girls like stories' bollocks which is bad for girls and boys.
  • Most of all, in the whole 4 pages the fact that many girls learn better in an all girl environment, and are more likely to pursue STEM subjects, is not addressed! Nor is the fact that there will now be 3 co-ed prep schools in the town the school is in, an all boys school, and no all-girls school.

We chose this school back when my elder daughter was a toddler because I wanted an all girl environment. DD1 was able to be her zany self at this school - she's maths mad and that was massively encouraged, as was sport - she got into one there that she now plays at a county level. She moved on to an all girls senior school in a nearby city brimming with confidence and loves being just with girls. It makes me sad that the governors don't seem to give any weight to the fact that for over 100 years this school has offered that to girls.

Oh, and as they say themselves, they have an all time high of pupils enrolled. So they are 'doing it from a position of strength'. So I have no idea - despite the 4 pages - why they feel it necessary. Something about the needs of our future demographic after engaging consultants to research the strategic future. It must be right then, since a consultant says so. Hmm Nice to know that's what fees have been being spent on. (I say that knowing all about consultancy bullshitting to justify a high fee, since I work in a similar field myself!)

I feel like moving DD2 into the nearby city, since it is clear the new (male) chair of governors at her school doesn't believe in and support the importance of an all-girl education, which is my primary reason for paying private school fees. I've contacted the girl's schools this morning. But it'll mean a massively long journey for her on public transport, and might just be too disruptive at this stage - something the school is counting on, I suspect. Gah!

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StatisticallyChallenged · 21/01/2017 14:43

Personally, like many women I suspect, there is a mismatch between my feminism and the ideals I want to see in the world and being pragmatic about where the world is now and how best to equip my daughter to deal with it.

At the moment she's state educated and co-ed, and my intention is to keep it that way. That said though, I work in STEM(ish), mainly the M variety, but I ended up here almost by accident; despite getting straight A grades at subjects including maths and physics I was heavily pushed towards more female friendly careers at school (teaching and law) and never encourage towards anything remotely STEM. I started doing law, hated it, switched to accounting, still didn't like it, and only ended up where I am now through a bit of fluke as I ended up working in a related field while I was studying. If DD continues to show an aptitute for these kind of subjects then I might have to rethink because she is already coming home with "x is for boys" type chat about school and jobs and it's bloody depressing. It's not coming from us at home and we do our best to offset it but it concerns me.

At some point I may have to make a choice between my feminist (and I suppose general educational equality) ideals and doing the best I can for the little girl I'm trying to raise.

ErrolTheDragon · 21/01/2017 16:13

Stat - yes - in practice, achieving the sort of equality of every child fulfilling the potential of their individual aptitude (girls and boys) is very much a work in progress. Stereotypes are maintained at least in part by children observing whether 'people like me' do something or not, so there is inevitably a bootstrap process whether its to encourage boys to be primary teachers and nurses or girls to be engineers and statisticians or whatever. This is liable to take several generations even if we're really trying! At the moment, we're so far from reaching that goal that we may want to make use of the paradox of sex segregation reducing gender stereotyping.

DeviTheGaelet · 21/01/2017 19:10

Do you subscribe to the 'every choice a woman makes is a feminist choice' school of feminism?
Hahaha not at all! I subscribe to the view that feminism is a movement, not a club, and lots of people have different ideas within that movement. And I'm not going to judge someone for the choices they make in the best interests of their own child.

DeviTheGaelet · 21/01/2017 19:15

Withdrawing your daughter from local comprehensive provision does negatively impact on the quality of comprehensive schools and thus the life chances of the vast majority of girls in this country who will attend comprehensive schools
See I don't think this a feminist perspective. Withdrawing a child from education might negatively impact the quality of education but that applies to boys and girls being removed and impacts on the remaining boys and girls. Hence why I say it's a socialist rather than feminist position.
FWIW I agree with you about private education overall but actually I think using private education as it's the only way to access single sex education which is a better education for girls is a feminist position.

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