Transgender Documentary on BBC2 Thursday 2100 "Transgender Kids: Who Knows best?"

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Looks like an interesting watch, that does not just accept the trans children or they will kill themselves rhetoric. I just hope the BBC actually do show it and aren't bullied into not showing it.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088kxbw

The blurb:

Around the world there has been a huge increase in the number of children being referred to gender clinics - boys saying they want to be girls and vice versa. Increasingly, parents are encouraged to adopt a 'gender affirmative' approach - fully supporting their children's change of identity. But is this approach right?

In this challenging documentary, BBC Two's award-winning This World strand travels to Canada, where one of the world's leading experts in childhood gender dysphoria (the condition where children are unhappy with their biological sex) lost his job for challenging the new orthodoxy that children know best. Speaking on TV for the first time since his clinic was closed, Dr Kenneth Zucker believes he is a victim of the politicisation of transgender issues. The film presents evidence that most children with gender dysphoria eventually overcome the feelings without transitioning and questions the science behind the idea that a boy could somehow be born with a 'female brain' or vice versa. It also features 'Lou' - who was born female and had a double mastectomy as part of transitioning to a man. She now says it is a decision that 'haunts' her and feels that her gender dysphoria should have been treated as a mental health issue.

Can't remember whether it was this thread or a different one, but I googled Lupron, a drug which is often used as a puberty blocker and the potential side effects are very concerning and debilitating. It isn't necessarily harmless or reversible. And in the article I was reading some twat said "well it's better than them committing suicide". As if that is the only possible scenario.

On Lupron, I find it terrifying that this drug is being given to children at all. I was on a similar drug to treat endometriosis and it was terrible. The side effects were so severe that I was off work for weeks until I adjusted to it. And I was an adult! What such a powerful drug could do to the body and mind of a child that is still developing makes me feel quite sick when I think about it.

This sunny "oh, they can just take puberty blockers to give them time and space to think things through" is completely insane. Drugs like this should only be given to children as an absolute last resort.

So you can't take SSRIs on Lupron? You can see why mental health co-morbidity might be so breezily swept under the carpet and not explored when a significant group of antidepressants are off the table. As for the bone density/osteoporotic aspect... These are children!

I'd be interested to see how much the drug companies get fir this. The NHS drug tariff list is here. Is anyone on a desktop or device they do a search in a PDF for Lupron?

It's fascinating to think that there are threads and threads about childhood vaccinations, which have been shown by about a thousand studies to be as safe as a drug can be, but no questioning at all of the drug regimes these poor children are being subjected to......

Questioning it is transphobic Bert

Having read the (Canadian) patient information leaflet, I see it is usually prescribed for precocious puberty - so for a short period until the child over until they hit a more appropriate age to go through puberty. That's quite a different balance of risk:benefit to potentially taking this for 6, 7, 8 (or more?) years.

Out of interest, how long are menopausal adult women allowed to take HRT before they have to come off it because of the related risks?

It's on page 171 of that PDF, called Leuprorelin. It's 22,572 for the larger amount and 7524 for the smaller amount per injection, I'm assuming that's in £? This is for a proprietary version where no non-proprietary exists.

Mortificado - the current prescribing wisdom for HRT in peri and post menopausal women seems to be "until your mid 50s", but there is some evidence to suggest that so long as dosage is carefully controlled and tapered, there may be some benefits to taking it longer. The main risks are of slightly increased risk of ovarian, uterine and breast cancer - and obviously transwomen are only at risk from the last of these. The main benefit (other than alleviation of menopausal symptoms) is to the musculo-skeletar system (the first question my physio asked when I went with my current hip problem was "are you on HRT?" - so I'm in for an interesting conversation with my GP about risks/benefits: I have no family history of cancer, but major family history of arthritis). Actually, that's another consideration - as usual, the people not talked about are transmen - oestrogen suppression and testosterone treatment leave them with lowered bone densities akin to post-menopausal women - but this happens to them in their twenties.

M0stlyHet, the other side effect is that after a few years - I seem to remember 5 - a hysterectomy is recommended because of the carcinogenic effects of testosterone on women. So if you start at 18 you could require sterilization by 23.

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It's on page 171 of that PDF, called Leuprorelin. It's 22,572 for the larger amount and 7524 for the smaller amount per injection, I'm assuming that's in £? This is for a proprietary version where no non-proprietary exists.^

So £90,288 in drug sales per child per annum. Yeah, big pharma would have no interest in stoking up a new market for their drug which is licensed for precocious puberty (surely a fairly rare condition).

"it is usually prescribed for precocious puberty - so for a short period until the child over until they hit a more appropriate age to go through puberty"

Even then, its prescribed reluctantly and with much debate of pros & cons. When DD started puberty early, her paediatrician said that she would not recommend puberty blockers due to very serious risks. As she was already quite tall, we let her body carry on what it started.

"how long are menopausal adult women allowed to take HRT before they have to come off it because of the related risks?"

10 years, IIRC.

"This sunny "oh, they can just take puberty blockers to give them time and space to think things through" is completely insane."

I think it is part of a general current pattern of massively downplaying the potential impacts of drugs.

Not rtft but watched the doc. Canadas stance on trans scared me they have normalised life changing surgery etc it's mad

In Canada under 16 girls are able to access double mastectomy and hysterectomy. In one case in Ontario a woman forced the system to fund a double mastectomy for a 15 year old girl.

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Fuck.

That's hideous. This stuff is batshit.

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The second comment under that link was heartbreaking.

When people yell bigot and transphobe on MN I sort of assume that it is from a position of ignorance. And if they took some time to read the available data, their stance would change. But when you see the sheer number of individuals in authority whose arrogance and selfishness allows them to feather their own nests at the expense of children, it's not surprising that the general public don't realise quite how much Kool-Aid they're being forced to drink.

I've just posted this on the WEP thread but I'm posting again because it's fucking horrifying.

www.petition2congress.com/1902/investigation-lupron-side-effects-leuprolide-acetate
This is a link to a petition to US Congress "to warn others regarding the drug Lupron... in the hope that further long-term safety studies are done before it disables or kills more women. This drug was originally marketed to treat prostate cancer patients but now is widely used for the treatment of endometriosis, infertility, fibroids/ovarian cysts and even precocious puberty."

India Willoughby had tweeted that the programme can't have been balanced because it caused an outcry. I responded saying that trans agenda has money to influence outcry and that parents have to stand up when adult agendas start affecting children.

Obviously she immediately went on the defensive and said that from looking at my timeline it looked like I 'needed a hobby', before blocking me.

"how long are menopausal adult women allowed to take HRT before they have to come off it because of the related risks?"

My GP said 5 was recommend and in the end I had 6, and that was despite only being in my early 40s.

Obviously she immediately went on the defensive and said that from looking at my timeline it looked like I 'needed a hobby'

Wow, projection, much?!

I was offered Lupron or similar for endometriosis. I'd rather be in pain once once a month, frankly. Incredibly, GP was willing to prescribe it despite being too pigheaded to allow me strong painkillers.

Oh fuck, fuck, what the hell are they doing?

There's a webchat coming up with Jess Phillips and Flick Drummond so I've posted a question. Hopefully they'll be more responsive than flipping WEP.