Transgender Documentary on BBC2 Thursday 2100 "Transgender Kids: Who Knows best?"

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Looks like an interesting watch, that does not just accept the trans children or they will kill themselves rhetoric. I just hope the BBC actually do show it and aren't bullied into not showing it.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088kxbw

The blurb:

Around the world there has been a huge increase in the number of children being referred to gender clinics - boys saying they want to be girls and vice versa. Increasingly, parents are encouraged to adopt a 'gender affirmative' approach - fully supporting their children's change of identity. But is this approach right?

In this challenging documentary, BBC Two's award-winning This World strand travels to Canada, where one of the world's leading experts in childhood gender dysphoria (the condition where children are unhappy with their biological sex) lost his job for challenging the new orthodoxy that children know best. Speaking on TV for the first time since his clinic was closed, Dr Kenneth Zucker believes he is a victim of the politicisation of transgender issues. The film presents evidence that most children with gender dysphoria eventually overcome the feelings without transitioning and questions the science behind the idea that a boy could somehow be born with a 'female brain' or vice versa. It also features 'Lou' - who was born female and had a double mastectomy as part of transitioning to a man. She now says it is a decision that 'haunts' her and feels that her gender dysphoria should have been treated as a mental health issue.

The other classic India tweet was the one about how Gina Rippon is wrong about the brain science because she only looked at the outside of the brains and if you look on the inside they are different - I will see if I can find it. I laughed so hard at that.

Yes, thought that too Countess. So India identifies as woman, but has no respect for the opinion of feminists. Ah.

India the neuroscientist.

This one is worse though. If you're a lesbian you don't have a right to a view either apparently. This is not funny, f*cking homophobic arse.

Yes "only feminists". Who the fuck cares about their opinions, eh?

Why was that bellend ever invited on Woman's Hour?

Lol at India mansplaining neuroscience to a neuroscientist

India is an empty old vessel and no mistake. In a way of feel a bit sorry for India because their transition took place just at the moment of a lot of people suddenly thinking 'hang on a minute...what?!' so India is not getting the universal unquestioning adulation they might have expected. I don't feel too sorry though cos India does seem to be a bit of a misogynist, going by the WH appearance etc.

India comes across as full of narcissistic and misogynist rage

Have also contacted the beeb. Hate the way people are trying to shut down debate of this issue.

To me, India mainly comes across as an old fashioned, rather ill informed sexist / homophobe and out of their depth. But possibly with a side order of rage against lesbians, yes.

India blocked me on Twitter. I'm rather proud of that.

Probably a blessed relief too, Empress.

India is as thick as pig shit. Why does she want to be a woman when she doesn't seem to like most of them?

I think that's quite a common position for transactivists. They only like those women who bend over backwards to be as self-hating and sycophantic as possible.

They hate us women wasting femininity when they would do it properly - i.e.: be submissive fuckholes, which is the true purpose of being a woman. See Paris Lees on the joys of sexual harassment and double penetration. Porn sick men.

Surely the 'best' outcome is totally dependent on the child. For some that will be a social transition, for some a full or partial medical transition but for others it will be identifying as non-binary or genderqueer/fluid without a need for any medical intervention or accepting the sex that they were born as - 'desisting'.

And yet all the debate on twitter I've read from trans people is seeking to polarise it the views as anti trans and pro. Someone has analysed the documentary into 'positive' and 'negative' airtime. There is loads of comment on the desist rate being a myth and debunked with no concern or probing into the real life cases that the desist rate encompasses.

Surely any reasonable discussion of a complicated topic is far more nuanced than this. It isn't black and white and we'd all be failing future generations to treat it that way. It's such a lazy way to discuss something.

India's brainfart about Gina Ripon's work is very funny. But, India has very regressive and odd ideas about women's place. So, hairy women = dirty in India's glittery little world and no doubt women who are experts in their fields = stupid bloody women there as well.

LOL at the outing of the dupes though. Same few people bombarding with complaints. Not a shock, but glad its been called out. I need to actually watch this tonight so I can send in compliments and thanks, as I won't do so without actually viewing the program. Though I expect I will be happy with it given reviews and such and the 'fairness' that has been commented on a lot..which is rare for anything about trans these days

To be honest, the Times is where I go for sensible comment these days. I have never considered myself right-wing, but I think the very liberal 1970s led to some dreadful views on children and sexuality, and I think this wave of very liberal views is coming up with something different but equally damaging.

One of the main tenets of liberalism I always thought was freedom but alongside responsibility. The latter has gone out of the window here

Someone posted the bbc link uprhread but please do send them a response of support, we need to balance out the complaints

Wanking Have a when you watch it, you'll need it for the first half...

I'm not surprised at the duplicate complaints, keep seeing stuff posted by transactivists that start something like "I haven't watched this vile show, but..."

Has anyone else noticed a resounding silence on social media from people who you'd think would normally be straight on the trans bandwagon, btw?

It's very frustrating how so many of the trans-critical people (like the man on the show who didn't want his daughter to get her hair cut) are coming at it still loaded with gender stereotypes.

I was fascinated by the fact that his daughter actually said one day she wanted to buy some dresses etc - what was going on there? She still definitely associated accepting her female body/reality with certain expected norms.

www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2017/01/12/transgender-kids-knows-best-even-handed-look-gender-dysphoria/ telegraph had a review - very short and to the point.

India is her own worst enemy. Is she still a Loose Women panelist?

India is obviously desperate to have a TV career. Being Trans has possibly been good for India's career. Makes a very convincing woman but serms to really overdo the girly, diva stuff. Curious to what her fellow loose women think, especially JSP.