Transgender Documentary on BBC2 Thursday 2100 "Transgender Kids: Who Knows best?"

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Looks like an interesting watch, that does not just accept the trans children or they will kill themselves rhetoric. I just hope the BBC actually do show it and aren't bullied into not showing it.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b088kxbw

The blurb:

Around the world there has been a huge increase in the number of children being referred to gender clinics - boys saying they want to be girls and vice versa. Increasingly, parents are encouraged to adopt a 'gender affirmative' approach - fully supporting their children's change of identity. But is this approach right?

In this challenging documentary, BBC Two's award-winning This World strand travels to Canada, where one of the world's leading experts in childhood gender dysphoria (the condition where children are unhappy with their biological sex) lost his job for challenging the new orthodoxy that children know best. Speaking on TV for the first time since his clinic was closed, Dr Kenneth Zucker believes he is a victim of the politicisation of transgender issues. The film presents evidence that most children with gender dysphoria eventually overcome the feelings without transitioning and questions the science behind the idea that a boy could somehow be born with a 'female brain' or vice versa. It also features 'Lou' - who was born female and had a double mastectomy as part of transitioning to a man. She now says it is a decision that 'haunts' her and feels that her gender dysphoria should have been treated as a mental health issue.

Very interesting article Itsallgoing thanks for posting it.

I've often thought that referencing two spirit people was a bit of an own goal by the transactavists because regardless of whether these were homosexual's or 'true' trans people, not one of them transitioned in anyway other than socially, no hormones, no surgery and yet they were not killing themselves in droves because they had the wrong body.

Their sex dysphoria (if they actually experienced any at all) was alleviated, not by being regarded as actual women but by being allowed to take on gender roles that they preferred - sort of blows current transgender dogma out of the water.

WRT the children who desist, the trans position is ridiculous.

They say "oh but that just means that the children weren't trans is the first place" as though this somehow defends their position. It doesn't. It shows their "let's support all persistently gender dysphoric children by agreeing they are trans" to be irresponsible, unethical and motivated by an adult political agenda.

The WHOLE POINT of what people like Zucker and the parents he works with are doing is that MOST OF THE CHILDREN WERE NEVER TRANS. Gender dysphoric does not equal transgender. Which is why treating them as though they are is incredibly wrong and stupid. It is also denying them support and or help with what is really going on with them.

I think we need to think of transgenderism (at the very least for minors) not as something you are but as something you do. Transgenderism is not an identity or a state of being, it is a practice (healthy or otherwise). But of course by saying that I'm literally committing violence against transpeople and erasing their very existence.

Exactly.
Allowing children to go through normative puberty weeds out the 'not really trans' if you like. But blocking puberty guarantees that a child will continue to identity as trans. So blockers make it impossible for the notreally trans kids to desist. It's unbelievable logic.

Being trans isn't an innate condition. It's a set of actions and behaviours that people choose or have chosen for them if they are not old enough to consent.

Thanks for that article ItsAll. Very interesting and very telling.

m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/14146168

I don't understand this article. Very strange

Hahaha, is that a parody?

It's a very good one if so. Sadly I fear not.

It really is like a cult - no critical thinking ability, and the most incredible overaction to the slightest perceived slight, plus the shutting down and persecution of unbelievers.

Gender dysphoric does not equal transgender.

That's the key, isn't it?

Who's got a long enough ladder to graffiti that on two dozen motorway bridges?

In that Huff Post article, the author describes the transing of children as "a child centric affirmative approach to children who are questioning their gender identity or who are sure they are transgender."

Seems to me that what this approach is affirmative of is trans ideology and it is trans centric. Fuck the kids, this isn't about them - it's about trans obsession with "passing" and about bolstering their insistence of a "born that way" narrative.

. It was awful, I won’t go into the arguments here
From the huffpost article 😳

Itsall - that article on two-spirit people is fascinating, and very much tallies with what an anthropologist friend of mine told me: that third genders tend to occur in societies with very rigid gender roles (in the social scientist's sense of "gender" meaning socially determined/sanction role/occupation deemed appropriate for someone of that biological sex).

But without gender dysphoria, people would be a lot less sympathetic. The trans movement needs gender dysphoria so they can convince people how unbearable it is for trans people, particularly children not to transition.

From the link:
I won’t go into the arguments here. In my opinion there was no balance to it

I would good money to see a trans-activist enter into ANY factual argument that didn't almost immediately involve the threat of suicide, blocking, cries of trans-phobia, bigot and death threats. Haven't seen it yet.

Indeed.

I really wish the Beeb had the balls to have a proper studio debate after the programme.

If that huff post article is genuine, the theme of "family" and protecting them at all costs is very cult-like.

Trans activists are encouraging people to demand an apology from the BBC. If someone wants to express their appreciation instead, the link is here.

Gender dysphoric does not equal transgender.

I'm hoping with everything I have that this is the case.

I know I've spoken to a few people on here before about my experiences of having a transgender child.

I know a lot of people think that the parents of these children are abusive, I can see why really, but they are doing the wrong thing for the right reasons.

The thing is that when you go for help because your child feels this way you only get a few counselling sessions and then you have to make a choice. You go for the 'cure' which is blockers, hormones and surgery. Or you get dropped.

Since I decided not to go down that route for my child we have been signed off from the mental health team and from the clinic and receive no help at all.

I can see why people who have children who are self harming or suicidal do go down that route, because it's the only way to access counselling.

Then you have the added pressures of 'support' groups (mermaids) also telling you that your child will harm or kill themselves if you don't go down that route too.

The programme was really well balanced and it was good to see something out there that was more neutral.

Hopefully this will be the start of more balanced media regarding transgender children and will give parents something to think about if their child experiences these feelings so they don't listen to the self proclaimed experts who seem to have an agenda.

"I can see why people who have children who are self harming or suicidal do go down that route, because it's the only way to access counseling."

This is terrifying.

Fishinwet - I certainly don't think that parents who are caught up in this are abusive. The ideology behind it is certainly becoming more and more abusive but I don't for one second think that the majority of parents, fearing for their child's life, are doing anything other than trying their best to support and protect their children with the advise that is given.

I say most because I do think that the unquestioning nature of the 'trans child' dogma leaves it wide open for those adults suffering with something like Munchhausen by proxy or some other mental health condition, to latch onto and use their child for attention. However, I think these will be the exception rather than the rule and most parents will just be desperately trying to find help for their child - but help that leads them down a rabbit hole.

I don't believe the majority of parents with gender questioning kids are abusive (although I've noticed a lot of abused kids tend to be gender questioning) but I do think a lot are wrong in promoting the 'born this way' narrative and allowing puberty blockers. Though I can see that you're in an impossible situation as that narrative and treatment path is mainstream.

It's terrifying that parents who are trying to get help for their children are not able to access that help unless the child is transitioning. And transactivists fight to get clinics closed down if they don't follow the orthodoxy. It's insane. The transman on the programme really struck me as being not quite right in the head and that person was instrumental in getting dr Zucker fired apparently.

Parents want to be able to rely on medical professionals to have their children's best interests at heart, but they can't if everyone involved is pushing transition.

It takes a lot to break away from the narrative you are fed by every professional you come into contact with the minute you seek any help.

I notice a huge difference in when we started down this route and now.

Now people are getting in 2 appointments what it took us 2 years to get 5 or 6 years ago.

I was called abusive on mermaids for not allowing my child blockers. Having read a lot of information I wanted my child to go through puberty first and then make the decision on where they want to be. It will make things slightly harder if my child continues down this route, but also my child stands a good chance of not going down this route if they experience puberty and mature in the body they were born into.

The route we are taking is definitely not the route they recommend though. They see it a bit like taking anti depressants or painkillers. Somethings wrong, pop a pill and it's fixed. That's a new attitude as well though. It definitely wasn't like that when we started this.