anti feminist on women & equalities committee

[Lorelei76]

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-davies-women-equalities-committee-feminist-zealots-a7471901.html

the number of times I've had to check the date reading the news lately.....

Not sure what I would google to find that thread- could you link?

no, actually, I think that far more people talk about women thinking a man offering help is being sexist than there are actual incidents of it. And yes, sometimsnan offer of help is sexist.

Why would I choose to sit next to a woman, all other things being equal? Well. I have lived a long time, and experience has shown me that, in the absence of any other social cues, I am more likely to find something interesting to talk about with a random woman than a random man. I don't have the slightest problem with men feeling the same.

As I understand it, the Conservative party had to nominate someone to be on the committee, so they have a ballot to choose from those that want to be on it. But, in this case, Philip Davies was the only MP who stood for nomination. So the question is, were there no other MPs who wanted to do it? Or was there another reason why he was the only candidate?

Philip Davies was the only MP who stood for nomination. So the question is, were there no other MPs who wanted to do it

Oh that's interesting and alarming. Why is the committee so unattractive?

M0Stly

There are several posts on this thread, none of which you felt you had to ask about, which are not directly related to philip davies or his appointment. Why is that ? FYI i was responding to the surprise that was expressed about women on MN reacting badly to feminists. BTW - i don't know much about the guy other than that he was laughed at by Jess Philips for wanting international mens day recognised by parliament. What has he said that is misogynistic, because I bet you he would claim he is not.

I am more likely to find something interesting to talk about with a random woman than a random man

I find this most odd. So you think the possession of a vagina is an indication that you will have a more "interesting" chat with a stranger ? Surely you can see how when someone employs someone who they have to work very closely with, all other things being largely equal - they will choose someone who they think they are more likely to have more in common with.

There are, quite rightly, strict laws about employment.

There are no laws about social interaction. How would you choose who to sit next to at a social function?

What has Davies done?

Tabled a private members bill seeking repeal of the Sex Discrimination Act 2002.

Called for women to be jailed in equal numbers to men in the name of "equality" despite statistical evidence suggesting that women are actually more likely to receive custodial sentences than men for the same crimes, they just commit them in far fewer numbers.

Aligns himself with J4MB, whose website includes such gems as "13 reasons why women lie about rape".

Is he misogynistic - well, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, hangs around with other ducks... yup, getting a big fat raving misogynist tick from me.

girlwith are you suggesting that Philip Davies isn't misogynistic and anti-women? His words, actions and associations say he is, from what I know of him.

Fair enough re davies - i don't know much about him, but anyone who criticises feminism can pretty much expect to have the word "misogynist" thrown at them. It's an unfortunate debating tactic as it's now been taken on by the trans lobby to shout down any criticism of them. If he is indeed producing bad evidence about the sentencing of women vs men, then it will come out surely. He unfortunately represents a growing number of men who seem to think that feminists are not actually interested in equality at all, it was on this point that that I was saying there do seem to be feminist women who (it appears to me) just think women are better than men. They like them more, it's a bias.

Bertrand

I would probably sit anywhere. Without have some preconceived notion of what topics a person would find interesting based on their sex, which seems the very opposite of equality, it would be odd to think I would have more interest in one person or the other based on their genitals. It's even more surprising to hear this from someone who I would assume would criticise expectations based on sex.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/16/philip-davies-anti-feminist-tory-mp-filibuster-women-violence-bill
Yuck. We know his type. If they don't understand feminism, we'll teach 'em. I'll be on the march on Jan 21st.; good for meeting like minded activists and organising local action.

Davis is a vile creature, if I remember correctly he has little respect for people with disabilities too.

But on the issue of sitting next to men you don't know, no way would I do this if I have a choice regardless of how sparkling their conversation might be. Experience has taught me that in general men will spread out there legs and elbows and take up half my seat. I always wonder why it never seems to occur to these men to stick to their own bloody space.

More about this Deb's Delight

But on the issue of sitting next to men you don't know, no way would I do this

Thanks for making my point for me ! In general men are inconsiderate morons. No doubt someone would be along to challenge your sexist views in a minute !

Oh we've all got to be careful not to hate men . That's like The. Worst. Thing. Ever. (despite the fact that this "hatred" manifests itself in an avoidance of men rather than abusing, raping and killing them).

There have been threads on here talking about the validity of women's anger against the class of men, yes.

There have also been threads discussing women-only societies.

Not sure what is wrong with either of those discussions. Not sure what a "healthy attitude towards men" is either? Does that mean showing respect to men even though they are our oppressors and we have to fight for every right, every slip of male privilege, every acknowledgement of oppression?

"But it is not equality." I suppose it depends on what you think feminism is about. Personally, for me it isn't about equality, it's about the removal of oppression and male privilege. Redefining what equality looks like. And I'm going to use the wonderful Karen Ingala Smith as she sums it up why "equality" doesn't really cut it:

What does it look like this equality that you speak of

Davies certainly likes to strut his male privilege around. Is this what we want equality with?

I believe scallops that you have just engaged in "whataboutery". If you think that women who are put off feminists on the basis that they make comments like "in general men are inconsiderate and no way would i choose to sit next to one" are idiots or it's OK to hold such views, because at least they aren't murderers like "some" men are... I mean what the fuck are you on about !? You can't be serious ?

Wow, girlwiththeflaxenhair. You have spectacularly missed the point of scallops's post.

She's spectacularly missed the point of the whole thread, really Seneca....

And feminism, come to that.

No - i actually think I have not, someone said that in general men are inconsiderate, if a man said "in general women like pink and frilly things" then would be condemned for it. But when a women says it, instead of admitting it's a crap thing to say - you instead say "well it's not as bad as what men do to women, so it doesn't matter".

What did I miss ?

Oh. Just realised girlwiththeflaxenhair is a man - and attempting a little Philip Davies style filibuster of his own on this thread

Never mind. Back to Philip Davies - what a fucking arsehole, eh? And what a travesty that a self-declared MRA has found their way onto the Women & Equalities Committee.

There is a petition if anyone is interested (obvs not you, flaxenhairgirl).

www.change.org/p/theresa-may-mp-remove-men-s-rights-activist-philip-davies-mp-from-women-and-equalities-committee

Phillip Davies hasn't got much of a track record for fighting for groups who need extra consideration.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/philip-davies-filibuster-domestic-violence-a7479266.html

Today Mr Davies tried to filibuster a Bill to ratify the Istanbul Convention on preventing domestic violence

His previous record: Fillibustering
Free hospital car parking for carers
2) Making home fit for human habitation
3) First aid training for children in schools
4) Banning wild animal use in circuses

If he wanted to do something, rather than trying to stop such bills because they don't discuss men, he should actively bring in some bills to have the discussions.

He seems to want to block stuff happening because 'it's about women".

Oh he's a delight amispartacus.

But the ones on equal pay slip by with only a few comments.
I've heard this criticism before about femists here not discussing equal pay so I started a thread in chat and no one commented
I think it's because 1) the gender pay gap isn't controversial unless you are an MRA 2) stuff is happening to counter it 3)it's pretty well researched 4) there's nothing most of us can do about it. So not really many talking points.
Whereas things like victim blaming, trans rights, PIV sex are discussed more because people either can't see the point or are deliberately goady.

What did I miss ?

The Patriarchy?

(am only being a partial smart arse. I think that actually is at least part of the explanation).