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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Oxford schoolgirl abduction didn't happen, police suddenly announced

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Yunitsa · 11/11/2016 15:30

Help, fellow feminists...

I've written a bit on other threads about my daughter (same age) being hugely upset about this abduction and rape. She was cycling along the same street at the same time as it was meant to have happened. As a direct result I've had to go back to giving her lifts to and from school.

This is a name change because it was all just getting a bit close to home/potentially outing.

I've had texts from her already this afternoon... news of this press release must have broken at school. She's confused. The girl was raped but not abducted? Why did she say she was abducted? Is she in trouble? Have the police made a mistake?
And then just now:
Now the police won't believe the next girl who is abducted. Is that right?

And this is before she's seen any of the vitriol that has already begun on social media... schoolgirls should never be believed, apparently; it wasn't rape either, more than likely, she just changed her mind after a threesome. Envy - vomit.

Anyone got any words of wisdom? I have to pick her up shortly and I have no idea what to say. I'm really shaken by this. Though also, of course, kind of glad that the abduction didn't take place and that my daughter might start to feel safe to travel alone again.

link here

Frustratingly the press release on TVP's website is now showing as having an orator and not loading. (It was working an hour ago.) Like more confusion is needed here. Hmm

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overthehillandroundthemountain · 11/11/2016 19:24

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KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 11/11/2016 19:25

So we create a climate in which girls and women who allege rape against men with whom they have had any degree of willing contact are routinely vilified as liers. we communicate clearly to girls that only in circumstances of abduction will they ever be believed. What in the name of arse do we honestly expect to result from that?
Is it possible people are this stupid? Don't answer that. Of course it is.

WomanWithAltitude · 11/11/2016 19:29

Yes - sexual exploitation is very common, but often goes unreported. Sadly, girls who get drawn in by abusive men are often viewed as being partly to blame, as having somehow colluded.

Rape is rape is rape. I feel so sad that this girl felt that she had to claim she'd been abducted to be taken seriously. She knew that she would be blamed and disbelieved if she told the truth. That tells us far more about our society, amd how it fails rape victims, than it tells us about her.

Mindfields · 11/11/2016 19:30

Good point about the possibility of online grooming and therefore not being sure about their real identities. Hopefully if that's the case the Police may be able to track them down using the info on the girl's computer/phone.

Poor child, whatever happened to her it was obviously incredibly traumatic.

KarlosKKrinkelbeim · 11/11/2016 19:35

Oxford had seen some bad grooming cases, and convictions and long sentences. One would like to think that's discouraged the remaining filth which is inclined to this sort of offending, but perhaps not

WomanWithAltitude · 11/11/2016 19:38

Grooming is going on in pretty much every city and town in the UK. It's not just a handful men, who might be dissuaded because they see some convictions. It's thousands and thousands of men, from all backgrounds, most of whom will never even be reported, let alone caught. Depressing but true.

overthehillandroundthemountain · 11/11/2016 19:46

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Yunitsa · 11/11/2016 19:56

Right there with you, with the anger overthehill.

I've just deleted a few facebook friends who have liked really foul memes about this. Obe of them works with children. Hmm

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WomanWithAltitude · 11/11/2016 20:03

Memes? About a child's rape? Wtf?!

slenderisthenight · 11/11/2016 20:41

I think it's pretty likely that, at fourteen years old, the girl may have agreed to an arranged meeting that she knew would be disapproved of by her teachers and parents.

Although none of us can know, IMO it's more likely that she lied about going willingly because in the stress of the moment, she didn't want to get into trouble about it. It seems less likely to me that she weighed it all up and felt that a woman making a rape accusation would be less credible if she met up with the people involved willingly.

She could still have arranged to a meeting somewhere but have gone somewhere else under duress or, presumably, stayed somewhere under duress. So the feeling of being taken and held under her will would probably have been present.

slenderisthenight · 11/11/2016 20:42

against her will

IAmAmy · 11/11/2016 20:53

She was found distressed, running and knocking on doors confused. This wasn't a calculated thing, she'd suffered an awful ordeal.

WomanWithAltitude · 11/11/2016 20:57

It doesn't have to have been calculated for her to have been worried that admitting that she'd met up with them would mean she'd be blamed.

Goingtobeawesome · 11/11/2016 20:57

Whatever happened that poor girl,is going to need a lot of help and supportSad.

Yunitsa · 11/11/2016 21:11

Yes, WWA. Memes about a 14 YO who police believe has been raped. About her being a hoaxer, how she should be named and shamed etc. All dressed up as amusing memes.
It makes me fucking sick.

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FRETGNIKCUF · 11/11/2016 22:10

Is it a case of she felt responsible by meeting her attackers so she said she was abducted?

Christ poor girl.

IAmAmy · 12/11/2016 00:33

WWA if that was at my post I totally agree and sorry I wrote what I did, I didn't mean to. I am entirely with the girl on this and horrified by vitriol aimed at her.

scallopsrgreat · 12/11/2016 00:40

Did she even say it was abduction? Or was that from other witnesses? And now, with a bit of time and space she's managed to relay the events to the police and they've realised that it wasn't an abduction.

IAmAmy · 12/11/2016 01:15

She was doubtless hugely traumatised by the ordeal she went through. Please let no-one forget she's a 14 year old girl and whatever happened to her, it was done to her by adult men. Please support her and please anyone in Oxford challenge victim blamers you come across.

IAmAmy · 12/11/2016 01:31

There is a police officer on Twitter abusing the girl. This is horrendous.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 12/11/2016 01:35

IAmAmy I would be surprised if the person was a genuine police officer.

IAmAmy · 12/11/2016 01:36

They have 20k followers most of whom are other Police responding to what he's said.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 12/11/2016 01:40

The BBC report refers to police and social workers working with the victim at her own pace. I don't think the police had any option other than to report this development but they have not dropped the case.

IAmAmy · 12/11/2016 01:42

No my point is the Twitter account is a Police Inspector abusing the victim.

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