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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Glamour Magazine allows transwoman to redefine feminism

491 replies

MrsJamin · 04/11/2016 15:50

Call yourself a feminist? Our transgender columnist Juno Dawson's here to see if you really pass the test

And calls women who don't "TERFs". Thanks, Glamour and Jo Elvin, thanks a lot.

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venusinscorpio · 06/11/2016 22:04

That's a great piece from Meghan Murphy.

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 06/11/2016 23:22

Oh thank fuck for women like Meghan Murphy. So clear and smart.

ArcheryAnnie · 06/11/2016 23:37

That day in the life is so weird. Breakfast?

What Dawson doesn't seem to understand that women are often punished for not performing femininity ("frumpy", "ugly", "let herself go", "bulldagger", "must be a dyke"), and often punished when we do try to perform it ("slut", "tart", "who does she think she is", "desperate", "asking for it, what can she expect going out like that?"). We just get on with things anyway.

I also think men who transition often have so little idea of what women might look like if they didn't spend time confirming to patriarchal norms, that they make a lot of all their grooming routines, and have no idea that much of it is fairly unremarkable stuff that women have to do anyway. (Not the cock-tucking, obviously.) A million beauty salons offering tweezing, plucking, sugaring, lasering, waxing, electrolysis, etc etc etc are witness to how much hair women actually grow on their bodies and are socially-pressured to manage and remove.

Datun · 06/11/2016 23:54

Empress, if you have any more links like that, can you post them? I find a shoulder relaxing relief when someone better informed and more articulate than me puts it so eloquently.

TheCompanyOfCats · 07/11/2016 00:23

I'm trying to think about how we can start to dismantle this wall of cognitive disonance that the media are busily building.

I'm nearly at a loss but a naughty bit of my brain thinks that we should all 'come out' as innappropriate animals and objects. So if anybody asks, i'm a gender neutral porcupine.

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HermioneWeasley · 07/11/2016 06:52

Glad you clarified the M&S Cardigan comment was on the wrong thread, because I was reading it really confused!

Hurrah for feminist current. I've donated.

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans · 07/11/2016 07:02

Datun, I know what you mean! If I come across anything else I'll post it.

ISaySteadyOn · 07/11/2016 07:21

Datun, just read Feminist Current. Someone, maybe it was Empress, linked it ages ago and I have been grateful for it ever since. So thank you FWR for introducing me to it.

shinynewusername · 07/11/2016 07:37

Bobbly jumpers are a feminist issue though Wink

Mozfan1 · 07/11/2016 08:05

Juno's Twitter is hilarious. It's basically a succession of 'you're all haters' and 'you're all libellous'

Won't actually engage in a conversation with anyone, just TELLS everyone they're wrong and he's right. Load of bollocks.

ageingrunner · 07/11/2016 08:05

Juno has blocked me on twitter Hmm

BratFarrarsPony · 07/11/2016 08:09

Have a look at his youtube videos about how to be a boy. Hardly the sort of person one could be bothered arguing with...Grin

Datun · 07/11/2016 08:09

God I'm useless at this. First of all I had to make sure I understood cognitive dissonance properly, then I spent ages musing with an intellectual furrowed brow over how it applied to one washed and one unwashed cardy.

JedRambosteen · 07/11/2016 08:16

Was the "returning the cardi to M&S" a metaphor for detransitioning? Wink

BratFarrarsPony · 07/11/2016 08:17

not sure how Twitter works - how does one reply to a tweet?

ArcheryAnnie · 07/11/2016 08:24

JedRambosteen that's genius and I will be adopting it as code forthwith.

TheCompanyOfCats · 07/11/2016 08:49

Jed, let's definitely make that a thing!

'He has returned his cardi to M&S'

FlapsTie · 07/11/2016 08:53

I got blocked by Juno as well. Sensitive little flower.

Mozfan1 · 07/11/2016 08:57

brat do you have a Twitter account?

BratFarrarsPony · 07/11/2016 08:57

ooh I cannot wait to get blocked by Juno.
Apparently arguing with him is being 'hateful' poor little boy.

Mozfan1 · 07/11/2016 08:59

Love how his response to criticism of his transplaining is to just block block block.

Great lesson, if people say something you don't like... Don't try and have a sensible conversation about it, just block them and call them unkind haters.

What a fucking child.

BratFarrarsPony · 07/11/2016 09:00

Yes I do but I only just started using it in honour of Juno.
I just find it a bit annoying as I thought you would be able to see a whole conversation instead of little snippets.

Mozfan1 · 07/11/2016 09:01

Oh yeah you sort of have to follow the convo by clicking on the one before iyswim. I'm not keen on Twitter. People like Juno shouldn't be allowed a platform like that.

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