woman loses residency of son she was raising as daughter

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3859618/You-caused-son-great-harm-insisting-raising-girl-Boy-seven-sent-live-father-mother-raised-daughter.html

hmmm. ok so its daily mail reporting but I am conflicted
perhaps good if child was being pushed into something he wasnt
but wtf with the boringly stereotypical insistance on the type of toys played with

I was discussing something similar with a friend the other day. A friend of her's and someone I know very distantly had a girl who from an early-ish age insisted she was a boy. She's grown up now but she did the usual thing of being interested in pirates and dinosaurs and the like and refusing to wear girls' clothes. They let her get on with it and one day she simply said 'I'm going to be a girl now', although she refused to wear dresses and maintained her old interests. Our conversation was about what would have happened if she was a child today, and we suspect that the outcome might be very different because others would have imposed their agendas.

I'm glad you seem to have been able to have accessed a range of supports and I hope that they were useful, Elsa.

"If contemporary transactivism is harming even the people it purports to be helping, then we need to ask: what (and whose) purposes is it intended to serve?"

I often wonder the same thing ... I have that image from the Wizard of Oz in mind where they uncover the wizard and he is a sad little man ...

They let her get on with it and one day she simply said 'I'm going to be a girl now'

I so hope this happens with my child. The alternative is very scary.

You sound like you're doing your best for your child under very difficult circumstances. I'm sure she has more chance of eventually becoming happy with herself as she is than a child from a family who enthusiastically embraces transition. Sorry for using she and hope you're not offended by that.

There are quite a few female detransitioners who've put videos up on YouTube explaining their experiences. I don't know if you or your child have seen any?

Not offended at all, I'm hoping we get back there again someday

Yes age I looked into it quite a lot, those along with videos of the surgery that my child would have to go through have taken a lot of the sting out of me refusing the blockers and hormones when offered.

So many different issues tied up in this. The one that jumps out at me is that even if the little boy had continued to prefer dolls/nail polish/dresses and show no interest in power rangers etc, wouldn't that just make him a little boy who liked dolls/nail polish/dresses? Why would that make him a girl trapped inside a boy's body? Why can't he just be a boy who likes those things??

I haven't heard of Mermaids before, but they strongly remind me of the Peodophile Information Exchange (PIE) who capitalised on the naivety of the right-on serial do-gooders to campaign very openly for 10 years for the right for adults to have sex with children. This was done under the guise of respecting children's rights.

On the judge's ruling my DD would be taken from me. But my DD identifies as female, she just likes to follow interests in things that some in society see as "male".

Thanks for sharing your experience Elsa. I'd like to echo PP and say I don't think you're a hypocrite at all. You're trying to do the best for your child.

I always think of a woman I was at school with. Back then (mid 90s) she was a tomboy with a masculine haircut and stereotypically 'masculine' interests (army cadets and football). People continually asked if she was gay. She always denied it. I have no idea whether that was because she was confused about her own sexual identity or she was simply understandably scared of the homophobia. Probably both. Today she is a happy, out, butch married lesbian, with two children who she carried and gave birth to. I strongly suspect that if she were a teenager today she'd have been swept along by the trans narrative and concluded she must be a boy. It's a very scary thought.

Fingers crossed she'll come to accept herself as she is and be happy. She's lucky to have a supportive mum who hasn't blindly accepted it all.

My son was looking at a pit of me as a child recently and said 'you look like a boy!' I said 'yes I used to get that a lot'
I had more or less forgotten that I really did want to be a boy. It just looked more fun. I'm so so glad that it was before being trans was a thing. I think a lot of children probably felt the same but it was just accepted as a phase and not made a big deal of.

No a pit, a picture

Yes, Elsa. I'd like to echo everything that Ageing Runner and Archery Annie have said about you your child and coming on here to tell your story. I assume that you are aware of transgendertrend? I am not 100% sure they are quite what you are looking for, but they do offer an alternative viewpoint to the cult.

The reason the child was removed from her mother is NOT just that the mother was forcing the child to transition, it was because she was emotionally and sexually abusing them and starving them.

The transing stuff was merely further evidence of the other's inability to safely care for her child.

The full transcript makes this abundantly clear

Heathen4Hire I don't think that's true. I think the judgement was clumsily-worded at times, but I did not read it as "child J prefers Spongebob, so is clearly a boy". I don't know why J does prefer Spongebob - it may be because he's not been allowed to like the things he sees other boys liking, which in this heavily-gendered world is more likely to be Spongebob than nail polish, and so he's now making up for lost time - but the key thing here is that the court found that the mum was imposing her wishes on the kid - and insisting on this in the face of discomfort from the kid, rather than allowing the kid to find their own identity.

Four groups lodged concerns in this case: anonymous people (presumably other parents), schools, health care professionals and the police.

One of the concerns raised by HCPs was that the mother was informing them that her child had a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, despite no such diagnosis ever having been made. That would be where the Munchausens by Proxy worry comes in.

That surely raises concerns about the proposals for allowing self identification - anybody who says they are trans is trans, or in the case of young children, anybody's whose parents say they are is.

The NHS classes being trans as a medical condition. We know it involves treatments up to and including surgery. There is no other medical condition you can self identify as having. If we allow people to self identify into having a medical condition, it creates a massive loophole for people with Munchausens to exploit.

For the woman in question, I know how it feels to go up against an authority figure because you disagree over your child (I am sure many people do). The conflict between different groups over trans ideology (accepted it seems very greatly by SS but far less by the NHS) is surely itself exacerbating disagreements between parents and professionals, and increasing feelings of isolation and victimisation, because one side is uncritically backing whoever calls out trans.

"i would absolutely never recommend mermaids to anyone, they are dangerous (and currently have a campaign between themselves to stop what they perceive as transphobia on MN)."

Interesting. And how do they propose to tackle MN?

On the judge's ruling my DD would be taken from me. confused But my DD identifies as female, she just likes to follow interests in things that some in society see as "male".

Have you actually read the ruling? Because I can't see how it could apply to you - unless you are forcing your DD to be interested in those things and not letting her choose her own interests. I somehow doubt you are.

From what I read they are planning to/already have emailed MNHQ repeatedly, separately and together, and they intend to/already are coming on the boards when a trans thread comes up and will all back each other up. I was kicked off at the start of them planning to tackle 'transphobia' on here so I'm not sure what else they were planning.

My BFFs DD always insisted she was a boy, wearing boys clothes and having very very short haircuts (from aged 3).
Now she's a teenager, still wearing mostly boys clothes and participates in a 'boys' sport to a high level.
She's definitely a girl....

Small children are being polarised into this pink/blue choice which is frankly ridiculous.

I'm 40, I don't wear dresses and my favour colour is blue -no one thinks I want to be a boy, but if I was 6???

Cote, as well as what Elsa says, they are also writing to advertisers on MN to discourage them from advertising.

I was very hesitant to post about trans issues on the feminist board given my family situation so thank you for all being so supportive

God, the full transcript is so upsetting to read. The mother is 100% emotionally abusive. I notice that supervised contact is only once a month now, and is in danger of being stopped completely as she keeps putting pressure on him about being a girl. And then he wets the bed.

Poor child.

Mermaids are extremely sinister and I think need a review if tax payer organisations are referring to them

Elsa - I'm in a terrible rush today but just wanted to thank you for your candid posts. Your child is lucky to have you as a mother. Your perspective is not remotely unwelcome - far from it! I don't think most of us on FWR are transphobic- despite the slurs. We just have very real concerns about (as the judge put it) the prevailing orthodoxy.

I hope your child finds peace in themselves, however they end up identifying