Consquences of self-identification

[MrsKCastle]

Sorry if this has already been done. I've been doing a lot of thinking about current trans thinking in the media.

As far as I understand it, this is the predominant view:
Anyone can be man or woman, male, female or neither. It doesn't depend on your genes, appearance or potential ability to hear young. What's important is how you identify. We should always treat people as they identify, with regard to how we speak about and treat them, and what spaces/roles we allow them to access.

What I'm interested in, is how this self-identification will or could change society. I'd love to hear your thoughts as I think it will help me to get things straight in my head.

So far I'm thinking:
No more single-sex schools
No more single-sex hospital wards
No more single-sex clubs, whether that's Brownies or exclusive golf clubs
Anyone can apply for any scholarship or award, regardless of sex

What else?

Jesus

Not - not to pee. For validation.

All YOU have to do is say - we will not demand access to sex segregated spaces or claim womanhood. Tiny things. Tiny.

FFS. It's come down to a comparison with sharks?

Doo-do...Doo-do.... Doododoododoodo

ATM I'd appreciate it if you could answers my questions about your experience of motherhood as a trans person . I'm interested to learn about this and less interested in sharks .

Thanks

Have you ever, ever in your entire life, listened to what a woman had to say

I'm not at all scared of sharks and nor will I be unless I find one unexpectedly in the changing room one day and I can't ask him to leave because he identifies as a human now.

I'd also be really interested in an answer to Kr1stina's question about motherhood as a tw. I'd like to see how my experience of motherhood and that of my friends might be similar, and different to yours, ATM

Yes Thanks ATM for that illuminating preach.

No body is vilifying trans on here. But we are talking about problems women face. Don't bother with the minimising waffle.

We can also support other things as well. But this thread is about Women.

As for a safe place to pee for you? Start a separate thread, I'll join you and help you lobby for separate safe space.

Consider.. the shark. Does it toil as man toils

That's enough sharks. Es.

Ftw

I wonder if anyone read the shark post?

I'd be scared of sharks if I was one of its prey species.

ATM, what a ridiculous post. I thought you were taking this conversation seriously. And please stop telling women how to do feminism.

And I might be scared of a vegetarian shark if It looked like the same species as the predator. Even though I'm just one little fish in a large shoal with a small statistical chance of being eaten.

Hooper Bait Cage

I'm not scared of sharks, I find them quite interesting actually. And as I never go in the sea they pose absolutely no threat to me. If, for some bizarre reason, sharks stop being a marine base creature, leave the water and start to chase me along the promenade I may change my mind.

Exactly Errol. That's what ATM is failing to get.

Not me aging I'm a bit sharkphobic

As is Ftw I may say

Trigger warning needed now?

The dinosaur story. I'm not going to go on record saying whether it was a woman or a trans woman, but it's being widely reported as a woman by several news agencies (including the Sun, who would usually be the first to vilify trans people).

The fact that a lot of you immediately went 'well they must be trans - look at the muscular legs' clearly shows to me a massive amount of confirmation bias. Not even considering the thought that a woman could commit such an offence.

There are a LOT of stories about child abusers, murderers etc at the moment where the headline says 'woman' but in the article it turns out that the perpetrator 'used to be a man'
So you can't really blame people for being sceptical

ATM - it's not because trans women are trans. It's because they are men.

@Kr1stina

My ex and I took pretty much equal time off. I was actually the primary carer for my children. I did the school run every day. I took them to all their evening activities and picked them up. I made school lunches every day. I cooked dinner. I tucked them in every night and read them stories. I did more than my fair share of household chores. I sat down with my kids and helped them do homework, played games with them when they were bored and looked after them when they were ill.

I volunteered to help at Beavers and also as an adhoc helper at Brownies.

My ex worked full time when she was able to around all the pregnancies and I supported her fully in this. Of course I was also working full time. This is why I never processed my trans feeling for like 10 years - I barely had any time for myself.

Surprised?

Of course I used the word 'I' a lot in that post so now someone else will accuse me of narcissism no doubt.

Warning added by MNHQ at Poster's Request Open with caution, triggering content.

www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20160929/midtown/kryzie-king-myls-dobson-child-fatality-adminstration-for-childrens-services

m.calgarysun.com/2016/09/28/female-molester-facing-strict-release-conditions

A couple of examples above where the headlines are rather inaccurate