New anti-trans legislation in North Carolina

[SlowFJH]

Of course it's been driven by the religious right wing. But it does aim to achieve what many posters here appear to advocate - namely that biological males can only use men's toilets and changing rooms etc. Biological females must only use women's toilets and changing rooms. Will it gain wider support?

MrsJasmine

Segregation is a necessity to keep women safe

Two questions for you.

Are you lso in favour of Islamist demands (in the Western world) for complete segregation eg in public gatherings, on trains, buses etc?

given how many women are murdered raped and victimised all over the world

What percentage of the total male population do you perceive to be a threat (of being a murderer or rapist)?

Yes, because it's so much more logical to wait until after a crime has been committed than to prevent in the first place isn't it?

And so much more logical to have a small minority of a minority (i.e. the trans activist element of transgender women) be able to push their way into a woman only space. Why would they want to do that?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35667507

Hands up women who fancy sharing the loos with this "lady"?

Slow - Islamic fundamentalism imposes sex segregation in all fields. That is not the same as offering sex segregation in relevant fields.
The answer to your second question is potentially 100% until experience teaches us otherwise.

So you are in favour of unisex then? Unisex changing rooms etc? Earlier you were a bit less keen i felt, more in favour perhaps of segregation but where everyone gets to choose which room they prefer
(Its 25% of men who admit rape and 33% who would if they thought they could get away with it in south africa just to take my first google search. Not sure about uk, hopefully not that high but its about 20% of women who experience sexual violence in the uk )

If you buy into segregation of the sexes then what's stopping us ending up like the Islamic states

Meaning what about "Islamic States", exactly? Care to elaborate?

Or we ciuld end up like iran of course - hey they're really keen on islam and transgender. Not so keen on homosexuals of course. Kill them. Or make them be trans. But you know, they must be cool, right? Oh but they're not. Oh how unfair. Its like they're both cool and not cool. But how can we tell if they're the goodies or the baddies. Waaaaaah

Heres some stats for uk

23% of young men believe having sex with a woman after she said no is not rape. Fucking depressing frankly.

ukfeminista.org.uk/take-action/facts-and-statistics-on-gender-inequality/

The answer is potentially 100% until experience teaches us otherwise

There you have it.

The epitome of prejudice.

100% of the population of [X Group] have the potential of committing [Y crime], therefore [we] should be separated from them.

Just replace [X Group] with any other minority and see how you sound.

If you genuinely believe it is 100% until experience teaches otherwise , how far should we take your segregationist / separatist views? If every single Trans Woman is a potential rapist / murderer in your eyes - what level of segregation would satisfy you and your inflated, exaggerated prejudiced bigoted irrational beliefs ?

Gaslighting

Slow there are posters, adverts and people EVERYWHERE telling women to treat all men as rapists. Don't get drunk, wear a short skirt or accept anything from any man or you are asking for it. Heaven forbid you act like men aren't a threat and get raped because it will be YOUR FAULT.

So we simultaneously have to treat men as if they are all rapists while knowing they are all squishy bunnies who would never do anything. Cognitive dissonance, much?

Transwomen commit violent crime at the same rate as all other men and have grown up with the same male privilege as all other men.

Bollocks to your "replace with any other minority".

So slow just to be 100% clear you are advocating unisex facilities across all areas? For all people? Regardless of any cultural religious or personal reasons why one person might not wish to be, for example, seen naked in a changing room in front of a person of the opposit biological sex. You wish for all facilities including prisons hospital wards and school changing rooms to be unisex? And do you find this to be a view shared by many people in the uk (or your country if not uk?)

Grimbletart
Yes, because it's so much more logical to wait until after a crime has been committed than to prevent in the first place

Just out of interest, how do you define the word prejudice?

By your logic , I take it you would be happy to be condemned / persecuted/ punished for a crime you had the potential to commit as a preventative measure before you actually committed that crime.

Schrodinger's rapist

We're getting to it now arent we, slow? Its the nasty wimminz fault. Bad nasty prejudiced wimmin and poor misunderstood nice menz.

Having read the whole thread, before I engage further, may I just say that I really resent being ordered as to how to do feminism by a man, Slow.

'Your own family and friends will (I can only hope) be embarrassed by your position.'

'What am I arguing for? That feminists need to get on the side of decency, fairness and tolerance and come out against this insanely bigoted law.'

'Turn down the fear. Turn up the tolerance'.

'Don't fall into the trap of associating with them'.

'Do not be on their side'.

Sorry, Slow, but I've been a feminist my whole adult life. I've gone on marches and protests, I've campaigned and written letters. You bloody well don't get to order me as to how best be a feminist. I've been doing it pretty successfully for quite a few years now.

Bombardier
We are talking about a tiny tiny minority of the population who have a pretty tough time of it (growing up, school, work etc etc) who just want to use the loo. Just to poop. Just to pee. You are inflating your fear.

This is why your are on the WRONG side of history

Er no you want unisex everything not transwomen in segregated facilities remember?

Slow - your username really suits you.

Thats cool. Good luck persuading everyone else

Oh here we go again with the "wrong side of history".

Think that expression has reached its Use By date, OP.

Its a generation unable to think beyond 'goodies vs baddies'. Tiresome childishness. I recommend watching 'bitter lake' to see it playing out in other arenas (thats a recommendation for op who could do with the help)

Alisvolatpropiis
Bollocks to your "replace with any other minority"

Wait... I absolutely get it now! Why had nobody made such a compelling and cogent case before? The clarity and precision of your logic has won me over completely. You will be happy to hear that, based on your powers of persuasion alone, I have just joined the the committee to re-elect Gov McCrory. Why did no one ever teach me this wonderfully effective debating technique before? One

Thank you. Thank you for showing me the light.

If only it were that simple.