New anti-trans legislation in North Carolina

[SlowFJH]

Of course it's been driven by the religious right wing. But it does aim to achieve what many posters here appear to advocate - namely that biological males can only use men's toilets and changing rooms etc. Biological females must only use women's toilets and changing rooms. Will it gain wider support?

Are you going to ignore the link I posted altogether, or get around to addressing my point about men already using self-identification laws or dressing as women to access and abuse women and children in public toilets? Or are you going to bat that one aside too?

RomCom
I would class that blog as blatant transphobic hate speech.

How very convenient.

I'd estimate that your repeated misgendering of Alex has killed approximately 1000 trans people in the last hour, Slow.

HTH

WindyMillers
You might be right.

I said I didn't agree with the bloggers views, but it does refute your persistent claim that it won't happen by citing actual cases and question your insistence we should rely on existing laws to deal with cases as and when. Why would we knowingly put women and children at risk of sexual assault when this is a known and preventable risk? Or perhaps, as others have suggested, you aren't all that interested in protecting women from harm?

I am interested in protecting women, black people, Jews, Gentiles, whites, Christians, Hindus, Muslims, Ginger-haired people, disabled people and any other group or individual from harm.

I just don't think it is helpful to inflate fears and risk. I believe it is rooted in deep hatred (as your blogger and PosieReturningParker) have proved.

Slow Why are you still referring to Alex as male?

You have apologised but why did you do it in the first place? You had the information about her status was- what she looks like was irrelevant. You called Posie out on the Les Dawson post (and rightly so in my opinion-) and then do the same yourself.

Ok, so in protecting these groups from harm, do you think the rights of one group should take precedence over another, or should all groups be equally protected from harm?

Lass

Read this s l o w l y

I m a d e a m i s t a k e.

You already knew Alex was a transwoman- so why "he" *his" repeatedly? That is transphobic behaviour.

Very big mistake in TW world. Misgendering kills dont you know.

RomCom
All groups should be equally protected. No one groups rights should take precedent over another. In health and gynaecological exams we already have mechanisms for the rights and preferences of the patient to come first. Even if it's a racist patient.

Lass, Cocolepew what would satisfy you?

Actually we don't have mechanisms to deal with this, Slow.

What we have is decent, compassionate people who are willing to put a patient's feeling of safety and well-being, before commonsense. And good for them, I think your friend sounds like a very decent person.

However, if they decided not to; if they decided that their common sense trumped the patient's unreasonable but nevertheless real horror about being treated by a person not of the same colour as him/ her, then afaik there is no mechanism for a patient to insist on being treated by a differently coloured medical professional.

You don't even have the legal right to be treated by a same sex doctor AFAIK.

Medical professionals try their hardest to accommodate patient needs but sometimes there isn't someone around who is the same sex.

You have the right to have a chaperone, but not to have the same sex doctor.

Ok, so bio women and transwomen are both equally entitled to toileting facilities where they are protected from male violence (the 'what'), but it doesn't automatically have to follow that these facilities are shared (the 'how'). I don't think there's a single woman who doesn't agree with the 'what' (principle of equally safe spaces). What we do vigorously oppose is the TA's solution (the 'how'), which disenfrachises women and puts us at risk of real harm. If your last post to me was genuine, surely we are all on the same side of the fence (and history?) in agreeing TW are entitled to safe toileting facilities. If TW were to campaign for their own spaces we'd have no issue.

I have kept out of the discussion here but I am going to say one thing and one thing only in relation to this. I am a woman and as a result of child and then adult abuse I have been raped over 200 times by men. There is no way I could accept that transgender women be allowed to use the women's toilets and communal changing rooms. Jeez - I can't even go to the swimming pool because that is shared space.
It's because I am afraid - terrified - that what happened to me might happen again and I am severely traumatised as a result.
That's all.

Slow made a mistake and misgendered because he knows and cares very little about trans rights.

His attitude is exactly one of the reasons why feminists are concerned abot the transactivist agenda - misogynists like him will use it to beat feminism around the head with a stick and to further erode women's rights.
Thanks for making this thread such a clear example of that slow.

So sorry clonakiltylil

SuburbanRhonda
From 26.3.16 at 23:05

"I had a trans woman midwife when I gave birth to my daughter in 1995. No one told me she was a trans woman, but it was obvious. She was a bloke in a wig wearing mascara"

I'm really not sure what you want me to say. You had every right to ask for a different HCP and would have been under no compunction to explain why.

Some questions for you

1. What did you do to immediately protect other women from being placed in this situation?
2. Did you write to the health authority?
3. Did you corroborate that your suspicions by e.g. asking her / him?
4. What other evidence do you have that it was indeed a bloke? Do you have a name? Her / His genetic (birth) sex could be checked.
5. Had anyone else noticed what was so blatantly obvious to you? Eg the midwife's colleagues, employer, the Daily Fail (who I am sure would have made a meal of the story back on 1995) if they thought tax-payers' money was paying for political correctness at best or a potential sex offender at worst.
6. Would you be willing to share which NHS trust this was or local health authority? Perhaps other MNers had a similar experience and could share what they did.

Clonakilty
I am so sorry for what happened to you.

Slow what would satisfy is an explanation why, despite being told Alex Drummond is a trans woman, someone like you, who claims to be a passionate advocate of trans rights, would then seek to misgender that person. It's a very odd mistake to make. It's on the same spectrum, although not quite as offensive as *Posie's comment. You were told Alex was a trans woman but still decided he was a man.

Clonakilty