Trans women as NUS Women's Officer- Part 2

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Last few posts from Part 1;
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Some of her aims:

Gender neutral sex ed
Women in leadership making room for transwomen (because you know how many women are in leadership roles)
BUS accepting transwomen to compete as women in sports

Today 16:19 ShortcutButton

4th if Anna and Sarah were TRUELY allies of women then they would seek to address the concerns that women are expressing in reasoned tones, over and over and over again in varies forums

Instead, they held an emergency meeting (this is before my poutburst) and decided the beast course of action was not to respond to women

How can you consider that approach to be the action of people that understand women, align with women, want to advocate for women????

Think of it as a personal relationship. Your lover or friend is expected to support and care for you. The person is acting in a way that you feel is not in your best interests. You attempt to start a conversation with your friend/lover to discuss this. They totally blank you and refuse to acknowledge that you even spoke

How do yuou feel about that person? Are they your friend?

Taking the analogy further...you get frustrated that you are being silenced and your concerns ignored and have a short aggressive outburst

NOW that person is listening to you. Telling everyone how violent and scary you are. Using this as an excuse for never having to listen to you again...a reason noone should take your opinion seriously...

How do you feel about that person now? That's an abusive narcissist personality type

Today 16:17 VincentVanLowe

They know you aren't threatening them. Your post was clearly making a point about the difference between criticism and concern versus threatening and harassment. The latter is what women are subjected to every day by trans activists. The former is what Lee and Noble have been busy deleting and dismissing as 'bigotry'. They've chosen to misrepresent posts here and elsewhere in order to play act like they believe a bunch of women posting on mumsnet are actually any sort of physical threat to them, two good sized males with plenty of media backing - it's farcical, we all know it is.

Today 16:16 PrettyBrightFireflies

4th - so why wouldn't you support a man in the role of NUS Womans Officer ?

If having experience is not relevant to the role, then what is the difference between a trans-woman and a man in fighting for the Annafesto?

The first comment under the article about Lee on pinknews -

More of a woman than these transphobic 'feminist' asholes. Fck you all for being horrible human beings. Humans like you are the sht stains of the earth. Bring everyone down, poisoning, choking everyone with your disgusting toxic miasma of bitterness, spitefulness and worthlessness. Women don't fcking need you. Humans don't fcking need you. There are so many people living in misery and you fcking ADD to it. I hate you all. Every last one.

.....but yeah, THEY are the ones on the receiving end of the abuse.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry tbh.

Such feminine language. Said just like a true woman. (Or a spoilt man having a temper tantrum - often difficult to distinguish between the two).

And thoughtful gender critical comments are censored but that is allowed to stand...

These publications are really trying to put us in our place, aren't they?

I have literally NEVER seen a woman talking about trans people like this. NEVER.

It's fairly common to see this misogynistic shite though. It's always allowed to stand too.

Pink News is the Daily Mail of the gay press, and lesbophobic and misogynist to boot. A few months ago it picked up on a several years old interview with Angelina Jolie about how her oldest daughter wanted to wear boys clothes and be called John, and announced that she'd come out as trans. She is ten years old at most.

Why does the hatred always fall on our shoulders.

I think the only positive that can be taken from this whole fucking thing is that it really is exposing the ridiculousness of the trans activist position.

All I can see from these angry transwomen is jealousy of a biological body that they will never have. We as women can't help you with that problem, we recognise that that must be hard to come to terms with, but don't take it out on us!

The only things that I do or have done, that a man can't, are defined by my biology, and therefore will be things that a man can never do, whatever he calls himself, because his body can never be a woman's body. All of the abuse or discrimination i have had, has been because of my biology, not because of what I was wearing. There is nothng about my life as a woman, that a man can't have in his own life as a man, apart from the things that are defined by biology.

I was just noodling about on Twitter and something came up in my feed- have a look at @KevinWeinburg1 if you need reminding how much some men hate women.

Ah yes, he's an interesting little ball of awful.

He's well known for it, makes threats, deletes them and then slags the person he's threatened off for making up that he's threatened them...

Splendid chap

I was just thinking more or less what sirvix said.

DH and I are sitting here, dressed more or less identically. We are watching same film. He cooked dinner. I cooked made lunch. We're both drinking wine. Tomorrow we'll squabble over childcare and chores. On Monday we'll go and do very similar jobs. He'll wear trousers and shirt. I'll wear trousers and a blouse. The only difference, is that he'll be working at management level, and I won't be even though I have three degrees and him one.

I guess I'm also mumsnetting so get extra 'woman points' for multitasking.

But I'm not sure why any of this makes him feel like a man, whilst I feel like a woman. Perhaps we're doing this gender shit wrong.

And then this just popped up on my FB feed.
www.theguardian.com/society/2016/feb/26/crucial-study-transgender-children-mental-health-family-support?CMP=fb_gu

I'll admit to only skim reading (film, wine, MN...) but can't we just stop shoe horning kids into pink or blue, my little pony or batman?

It just makes me so sad. It's so unnecessary. Biology is necessary. The rest, really not.

The Twitter, interestingly Sarah Noble recognises that a pony dressed as a unicorn is still a pony. Just saying.

Me either Maryz.

I saw that maryz and went on to read this article;

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/sep/12/transgender-children-have-to-respect-who-he-is

I've reached the point where I just feel so sad about it all

It used to be Maryz. My own completely unevidenced theory is that gender in childhood is so polarised that'd be hard to do these days.

The stance taken by the Pink Paper is extremely disappointing but it is not unexpected. It claims 'PinkNews covers politics, entertainment, religion and community news for the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community' blah blah.

And then I look at the list of people who work there, to see how representative they are of women - and guess what? No women!

But maybe half of them are trans women, so that's alright then. They'll be fine when they have to publish the salaries paid to male and female employees. Or maybe half could identify as women on that day only - that's cover it.

( I concede that Naith, Alex and Gaz might be abbreviations of women's names).

Benjamin Cohen — Chief Executive
Andrew Millet — Chief Financial Officer
Gideon Bresler — Chief Operating Officer & Managing Director, PinkNews USA
Richard Cohen — Company Secretary & General Counsel
Joseph Patrick McCormick — Head of Content
Nick Duffy — UK Editor
Anthony James — Lifestyle Editor
Joe Williams — Reporter
Naith Payton — Contributor
Alex Holt — Contributor
Gaz Jeffries — Contributor

Right, I think we are all in agreement with all points raised - we can talk and talk and all agree with each-other here, but what are we materially going to do about it?

There has to be a point where all this talk segues into action, but what is that action to be - I have written to my MP - now what? Where do we go from here?

There's a petition at Change.org, to drop the T from the LBG, which I think is very important, and also a way to stick your neck out, many people haven't signed because they're frightened of Doxxing or backlash from the Trans community - please sign, I think it's important, I've been aligned to the LGB community for many years and I do think Lesbians could do with some back-up from straight women here as they're in the firing line.

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That poor child talks about ‘when I start having medicine to make me grow a willy’ - has no-one ever told him he will never grow a willy shock no matter how much he wants to

Oh, that's heartbreaking! That's what happens when no-one is speaking the truth to these kids. How can they make an informed decision (how can they anyway at so young) when no-one is telling them what is actually possible.

The trouble with drop the T is that I'm not LG or B - so I'm not sure that I'm really welcome to sign it - well that's not quite right - I mean I don't know if it's my place, if my signature is correct to be on that, since I'm none of the parties involved (well, unless being 'gender non-conforming' technically makes me 'T')

Of course you can Green, you don't have to be LG or B to agree with what they are saying - I have been on many Pride marches but I'm a straight woman, it's perfectly legitimate - in fact necessary to support the community as an outsider.

I support the rights of LGB people irrefutably, just as I support the rights of black or any other minority women or men.

The fact that you are not a part of that community does not denigrate the importance of your support. It makes it more valuable, it says, 'I'm not a stakeholder but I believe in what you are trying to do because it's important'

Sign. Please.