Trans women as NUS Women's Officer- Part 2

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Last few posts from Part 1;
sieReturningParker

Some of her aims:

Gender neutral sex ed
Women in leadership making room for transwomen (because you know how many women are in leadership roles)
BUS accepting transwomen to compete as women in sports

Today 16:19 ShortcutButton

4th if Anna and Sarah were TRUELY allies of women then they would seek to address the concerns that women are expressing in reasoned tones, over and over and over again in varies forums

Instead, they held an emergency meeting (this is before my poutburst) and decided the beast course of action was not to respond to women

How can you consider that approach to be the action of people that understand women, align with women, want to advocate for women????

Think of it as a personal relationship. Your lover or friend is expected to support and care for you. The person is acting in a way that you feel is not in your best interests. You attempt to start a conversation with your friend/lover to discuss this. They totally blank you and refuse to acknowledge that you even spoke

How do yuou feel about that person? Are they your friend?

Taking the analogy further...you get frustrated that you are being silenced and your concerns ignored and have a short aggressive outburst

NOW that person is listening to you. Telling everyone how violent and scary you are. Using this as an excuse for never having to listen to you again...a reason noone should take your opinion seriously...

How do you feel about that person now? That's an abusive narcissist personality type

Today 16:17 VincentVanLowe

They know you aren't threatening them. Your post was clearly making a point about the difference between criticism and concern versus threatening and harassment. The latter is what women are subjected to every day by trans activists. The former is what Lee and Noble have been busy deleting and dismissing as 'bigotry'. They've chosen to misrepresent posts here and elsewhere in order to play act like they believe a bunch of women posting on mumsnet are actually any sort of physical threat to them, two good sized males with plenty of media backing - it's farcical, we all know it is.

Today 16:16 PrettyBrightFireflies

4th - so why wouldn't you support a man in the role of NUS Womans Officer ?

If having experience is not relevant to the role, then what is the difference between a trans-woman and a man in fighting for the Annafesto?

"Woman doesnt mean gender though, it means adult human female
That is by no means clear, though"

It's not? Have you tried consulting a dictionary?

Cote, I think she was using definitions applied by government agencies, not her own interpretation there.

Could be wrong though.

JAPAB is a he, not a she

"it's not so much people claiming that they have XX or XY chromosomes"

"I have XX chromosomes" is exactly what it means when someone says "I am female", though. There is no other way to be female but biologically, and human females have XX chromosomes.

"it is rather that they consider the chromosomal makeup irrelevant"

I don't care what they "consider". If they think chromosomes irrelevant to being male or female, they are ignorant and need to study human biology.

JAPAB
did you read my post just up thread? Being black doesn't mean having black skin. Rachel D had a physical appearance that is shared by lots of people who identify as black. What makes her a delusional liar and Claire an actual woman?

palmer thank you - that's exactly what I meant.

I have, for the last 40+ years, understood the word "woman" to mean a female person, with XX chromosomes.

But now, I'm reading the media, official documents and even legislation, which use the word "woman" in a different way - a way that includes people who have XY chromosomes, and who have the anatomy of a person I have previously referred to as male.

I can deny it, continue to state that these people with XY chromosomes are not "women", but I'm at odds with the society I'm living in; a society that is increasingly using the word in that way.

I complained to the BBC about describing Claire Darbyshire as a woman and daughter on the radio news, which is inaccurate.

It would be great if others did too to demonstrate that we won't tolerate the word woman being extended to "men who have changed their name by deed poll"

How does one complain to the Beeb Hermione?

The guardians report on this says
'Darbyshire, who is pre-operative transgender, was forced to spend five months on remand in a male prison"
I wonder if they are inferring that Darbyhire shouldve been put in a women's prison since they use the word 'forced'

I was wondering that too sirvixo

So we've reached the point where a violent man, with intact male genitals, who has committed a crime, is "forced" to spend time in a male prison. FFS.

Google "BBC complaints" and it takes you to a webpage where you can fill in an online form

Now have a look at this article about Claire Darbyshire's sexual crime which in no way mentions that this "woman" is a bloke. A bloke who broke into a woman's house and wanked into th underwear. TAs want to talk about erasure? This is literally erasing male sexual violence.

www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/news/crime-court/five_year_restraining_order_placed_on_dagenham_woman_who_soiled_friend_s_knickers_1_2259110

Steam comes out of ears
me too sirvixo
Thanks Hermione I will do that

So they've given up even using the prefix "trans" then? This is a woman and that's that.

Isn't everyone 'forced' to be in prison?

Hermione

That reort is utterly bizarre. Bizarre

I see what you mean thomas but I think the whole tone of the piece is sympathetic to Darbyshire and so forced is likely to infer that a women's prison would've been more appropriate.

I've just had a light bulb moment, in terms of language and clarity;

We don't segregate based on biology; we segregate BECAUSE OF biology

I'm waiting for one of the terfy-bloggers to put together
"Former sex offending man kills father, forced to spend time in prison"

Isn't everyone 'forced' to be in prison?

Yes, that's rather the idea of it. It's not a vacation where you get your special snowflake identity validated, it's a punishment and a measure taken to keep dangerous criminals under lock and key ''where they can't harm anyone.''

Putting a male who is violent against women into a women's prison is the stupidest thing one could do, and might be even worse than letting him run free.

Agree that report is unbelievable. There seems to be a wall of silence. Are reporters too scared to mention that this was a man, masturbating into women's underwear?

Oh, sorry. That part should be in italics for emphasis, not in quotations.

There's a programme on Radio 4 called Feedback that takes on viewers' criticisms of BBC coverage, I wonder if they would consider debating the BBC's decision to refer to transwomen as women?

The local press article about Darbyshire is actually illuminating - not least because it was reported in that way three years ago.

So, for at least three years at least, trans-women have received that level of acceptance, recognition and acknowledgement.

Is it any wonder that they are now objecting to the resistance, and branding those of us who express concern as TERFs? What "we" are objecting to is something that they have already won the fight for - we are threatening something they already have, not fighting to prevent it.

Somehow (and I'm not sure how) the battle for the term "woman" to include trans-women has been fought and won, without women being included. The media, the government, the 'establishment' have already conceded. It's only now, that it is no longer a secret, that those people whose identity has been redefined are objecting. It appears that it is too late!

The government are supposed to consult with every stakeholder group before changing legislation. That never happens with trans stuff. Women and girls are not considered stakeholders in the gender discussion. It is mental.