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And so it begins: Transwoman is running for women's officer of NUS

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PosieReturningParker · 19/02/2016 15:52

Some of her aims:

Gender neutral sex ed
Women in leadership making room for transwomen (because you know how many women are in leadership roles)
BUS accepting transwomen to compete as women in sports

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EnthusiasmDisturbed · 20/02/2016 13:19

The remarks about man in dress and bad wig are in relation to how offended we feel that this is how easy it is for a man to shove their way into our spaces and speak for us as one of us

whatdoIget · 20/02/2016 13:21

I've been deleted. I knew I would be but I just don't care any more. We need to start being honest about this situation. It's better for women and also better for the Annas of this world. Perhaps if people were more honest there would be less anguish and less body dysmorphia, and people could get on with their lives on their natural bodies and be content with that.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 20/02/2016 13:23

This is one of the very tiny corners of the internet left where you can openly discuss issue like this.

Snowshimmer · 20/02/2016 13:29

Oh a couple of comments are now deleted by MNHQ. I wonder why those were more unacceptable than the others or if most of this thread will be deleted...

daisychain01 · 20/02/2016 13:30

She's lovely and very passionate about student politics

I've heard passionate students campaigning, and I'm sorry but "she" is about as passionate as a cornflake box

abbsismyhero · 20/02/2016 13:31

we need to be honest about the situation anna can campaign in public why cant we say what we mean in public? why are our rights being denied? why are we being put back in a box so many people fought to get out of?

my kitchen sink is about to have a chain attached to it again

Sophie38 · 20/02/2016 13:41

My post about refusing to say 'she' has gone. That was the one where I said I couldn't say 'she' when it wasn't biologically accurate, as that was like being forced to lie.

I expect this one will go the same way.

PalmerViolet · 20/02/2016 13:45

This is why aliens won't be our friends.

When I first saw the picture, I wondered if it were one of the 1st XV in drag for rag week and they'd put the wrong picture up.

This comes as no surprise at all. It was inevitable that a TW would appropriate the role of Women's Officer and use it to forward their own brand of malecentric 'feminism'. It's been on the cards for a while now.

PalmerViolet · 20/02/2016 13:54

Oh, and the NUS have no platformed Nick Lowles of Hope not Hate for Islamophobia.

That's right folks, the major anti-islamophobia organisation's leader has been no platformed for, um, well, yes...

Again, this is why aliens won't be our friends.

grimbletart · 20/02/2016 13:56

Oh dear. The ultimate in mansplaining.

And trans apart, anyone who is standing for a communications role and has to surreptitiously read their mission statement, falls at the first hurdle.

HairyLittleCarrot · 20/02/2016 13:56

Anna has spent 20 years living as a man.
And now lacks the humility and insight to see the enormous insult and offensiveness of believing he can speak for the thousands of women students?
AS one of them?
He'd happily take a precious place for an actual woman to support other actual women. He talks about how there are too many men leading the NUS and takes yet another place that belongs to a woman?
When part of his proposed agenda involves preventing girls from segregating and having privacy during sex education to learn about menstruation and their own bodies because they owe it to the boys to learn this stuff in their presence.
And he wants to talk about how "we" pay tax on sanitary products?
How is this a nice person? This is a man telling women who they are, what they need, who they owe. Serving entirely his own agenda to the utter detriment of the thousands of women who he will no doubt soon represent.
How scared must women be to stand up for themselves that even when faced with this they nod and smile, nod and smile.

VincentVanLowe · 20/02/2016 14:00

Our rights are being denied because we are women. That how it has always been. Men have 'human rights', women fight to be recognised as human. That's how we can be told we aren't allowed to use a pronoun in a way that a male might object to, but we are supposed to support males claiming to be female and their right to represent females while wearing woman costume even though it makes us feel sicky in how utterly dehumanising it all is to us. Women's feelings dont matter, we don't have a right to voice any of it.

It couldn't be clearer that the people who support the concept of "transgender" do not actually see trans women as women. They do not treat them as they treat women, at all.

If Anna was a woman - it is unthinkable that a woman like that would receive any support or even acknowledgement. People still look at me funny when I give "Ms" as my title, but women who don't call males "she" are silenced for hate crimes. No one believes that transwomen are women, if they did no one would give a crap about their feelings. Germaine Greet was totally on point with her remarks on this - no one gives a crap about what women - especially older women - think when they are insulted. Get over it, get a sense of humour love, stop taking it all so seriously darling, give us a smile sweetheart.

PalmerViolet · 20/02/2016 14:04

Oh, and gender neutral sex education is where we're not allowed to mention that women have babies and men produce sperm.

So, women don't menstruate, people do. Men don't get prostate cancer, people do. And so on.

That's not going to confuse the shit out of 5 yr olds now, is it?

Sophie38 · 20/02/2016 14:09

If I had a choice, I'd leave the place where this sort of dystopian shite was taking place, however that's a bit hard to do when it's everywhere.

I am really, really surprised at MNHQ for taking the line that calling a biological man 'he' is 'misgendering'. It's completely unacceptable that we cannot say something which is searingly obvious.

VincentVanLowe · 20/02/2016 14:18

That is what this all comes down to - what are women allowed to say, what are women allowed to do, never anything that might upset some guy. We aren't allowed a say in what woman means, for a start. The pronoun she belongs to women and girls, it belongs to female people. But if female people say we won't share even something as small as our pronouns with males, no matter how well thought out and relevant and important our arguments, we will be silenced, deleted, no-platformed, dehumanised with terms like "TERF" - if wr do not comply we will be erased from public space. We are not 'allowed' to define ourselves or our own boundaries, if it might upset some male somewhere.

PenguinVox · 20/02/2016 14:20

Does anyone know who the other candidates are?

MrsJamin · 20/02/2016 14:34

According to the NUS website, just one other candidate Hareem Ghani.

VincentVanLowe · 20/02/2016 14:40

There is one other candidate, Hareem Ghani, and apparently any member of the NUS can object to the validity of the candidate or their nominators. There is a pdf here: <a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.nusconnect.org.uk/groups/shape-our-work/resources/cd8-women-students-conference-manifestos/download_attachment&ved=0ahUKEwjP7-LVyIbLAhVCuRoKHUPRAQoQFgghMAE&usg=AFQjCNEchophj7sL7EKZHKNU3aQjBk1jfw" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.nusconnect.org.uk/groups/shape-our-work/resources/cd8-women-students-conference-manifestos/download_attachment&ved=0ahUKEwjP7-LVyIbLAhVCuRoKHUPRAQoQFgghMAE&usg=AFQjCNEchophj7sL7EKZHKNU3aQjBk1jfw

VincentVanLowe · 20/02/2016 14:43

Sorry I have no idea how to give a better link to that, it came up on Google search but I couldn't find any link on the nusconnect site itself.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 20/02/2016 14:46

Hareem seems to have some pretty sound priorities. I hope (for the sake of the credibility of the NUS as well as for women students now and in the future) that she wins.

PenguinVox · 20/02/2016 14:50

Omg just one other candidate! I thought there would be lots more. This is scary.

OvariesBeforeBrovaries · 20/02/2016 14:59

Yeah my comment got deleted. Had something to do with the penis under her dress if you catch my drift. Sorry not sorry.

OneFlewOverTheDodosNest · 20/02/2016 14:59

This sounds dreadful but I'm really relieved that Hareem is the other candidate, because if the other candidate was a white woman then I could foresee a complete landslide of virtue signalling votes for Anna...

PenguinVox · 20/02/2016 15:04

There was some mention earlier on this thread of how Anna Lee's appearance shouldn't matter. The thing is, when I was 18 -21, if I wanted to talk to a women's officer about e.g. sexual assault in the students' union, and I saw a picture of Anna Lee and/or heard Anna Lee's voice, I wouldn't have been able to do it. I would have needed the women's officer to look like a woman. And long hair and a dress has nothing to do with that.

MamaMary · 20/02/2016 15:05

Does anyone know if male students vote for women's officer too?

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