I would like your opinion on something...

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I am a trans-women, I was born with the male physical body, but always identified as female, did everything commonly associated with "Female" Anyway, I have been told that I should not be allowed to use the female bathroom.

I was just wondering if you agree with this? My gender on my passport is female, I'm attracted to men, I look nothing like a man, yet people are trying to force me into their bathroom regardless, what is your position on the issue?

I wish folks would stop with all this " phobic " rubbish. I'm not transphobic - I'm not scared of trans folk, I just don't see them as real women/men and that seems to be enough to get you labled with the phobic comments.

In response to your OP, yes I would have an issue with sharing a bathroom with you, for the reasons I stated above. To me you are not a real woman, you may look like one and dress like one but you were not born with one. You were born with a male body, with a mans strength and the very fact that you've gone and said you do "female assosiated stuff" really really highlights the fact that you're not actually female.

I don't want my daughter sharing bathrooms or changing rooms with trans people, I don't want my son sharing them with trans people either. And not because I think that trans folk are pedophiles but because it's a blatant encrouchment on privacy, however I see it as worse for my dd because she now has to share her space with someone who is stronger than her, who is biologically a male and what if she says the wrong thing and pisses the trans person off and they decide to get violent, the way that can happen with any male or female? A trans person who looks like a female is still going to be bigger and stronger than her, they'll still have a mans strength and even with self defence lessons I think she would still struggle to over power a man (if she's anything like me she'll be tiny as an adult and not physically strong).

That is my issue. Why should your rights come before every other female? Have your own changing rooms by all means, just don't expect every woman to be happy to share with a trans person.

And apologies for all the spelling errors, my baby brain has caused a total blank in my mind today and no spell check.

I think this thread needs to stand. Op didn't get what they set out to get from us but as pp pointed out, it could easily be quoted out of context to make us appear like rabid hateful TERFS. Leave the thread here, it breaks no guidelines, especially if HQ can't actually prove the op wasn't on the level.

Perhaps if the OP is proven to be a troll, then MNHQ could post one of their messages on the thread itself, saying that the OP was trolling and has been banned ?

I think it's fair to say that if you know a TW then you're fine with sharing facilities with them. That doesn't necessarily translate into being fine with sharing facilities with all TW, though. You might think you are, but until you've been there you don't actually know.

I was born in the late 50s, and was taught that if ever I felt unsafe I could slip into the ladies. This was a tactic I used quite often in fact, from about age 10 until I was confident enough to stand up for myself and tackle importunate males head on.

My tw friend is a lovely person. She is kind, intelligent, fun. On the whole, from a distance, she looks like a woman. She can 'pass'. No one, but no one, thinks she looks like anything but what she is - a woman who was once a man, a tw. I suspect the same is true of every tw on the planet.

I don't understand why transwomen can't accept that they are transwomen. Why not be happy with that, accept it, own it and celebrate it. Have a Pride March with it if they want to.

Why all this insistence that they are in fact women??

Agree with MR/GG, also, transwomen aren't going to have child dependants linking them forever to their abuser. There aren't always children I know but is a tw woman who's been used to being a man as likely to get herself in to quite the same people-pleasing, need-suppressing, eggshell-walking, shit-taking, over-giving kind of situation? Having been a man once would be protection from that dynamic imo

My view is that is a previously male person has breasts created and their penis removed they have earned the right to be regarded as a woman.
I'm concerned about those who want to retain the emblems of masculinity and have the benefits or lifestyle differences of women.
The post op transgendered person may not be psychologically or physically quite the same as other women but there are other differences between women who ere born women that are at least of the same extent.

yes there are some born women that have differences to the majority of born women

some may not have periods - this will be a concern

some may not be able to have children - this will be a concern

some may not develop breasts - this will be a concern

some may not be able to carry a baby to full term - this will be a concern

some may have periods every other week - this will be a concern

and there will be other issues in that the way women's bodies are meant to work and for some unfortunately this is not the case and will probably cause them great distress

a transwomen will never ever experiences these the issue is just one of desire not that there are hormonal issues

and of course a transwomens experiences as a child will be very very different to those experiences of those of girls

they are transwomen not women as there are numerous differences in our bodies and the way society treats us

A well thought out argument

Well, BRO, now you've put it like that, you've completely won me over.

exconstance I am still if the opinion that there are some spaces which are only for born women. Many TW are still noticeably male, even after all the surgery, and I don't think (for example) a woman who has been raped should have to wonder whether the volunteer is actually an intact male. And I believe if you request a female HCP that's what you should get.

TW aren't women and never will be - they are TW and that's ok.

not sure you'll hear from Comeatme on this thread any more.

The OP made this comment on another thread:
'Personally, as a trans-woman, I dislike it when Cis people try to talk about transgender issues, when they have't felt it before, it's like if a man came and tried to talk about women's issue's, you'd appreciate it, but it isn't their place, no offence, give transgender people a voice, DON'T try and talk for them (Us) :D'

This is rich, coming from someone who attempted to argue about toilet space. To quote: 'It isn't their place ...'

anyone who uses the term cis should be ignored

Oh, I missed a troll! Darn! Was it entertaining? sulks

I am with you, Enthusiasm - I am not Cis-anything. I am a woman. End of.

That makes a lot of sense.

So trans MTT can come and tell women how it feels to be a woman, how women's experiences are.

But women could not possibly know anything about being trans.

The logic is astounding.

There are two places to use the prefix cis. One is in Latin (and even there it is very rare) and the other is in chemistry. That's it.

'Personally, as a trans-woman, I dislike it when Cis people try to talk about transgender issues, when they have't felt it before, it's like if a man came and tried to talk about women's issue's, you'd appreciate it, but it isn't their place, no offence,

Can OP truly not see the irony in this?

"To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget, whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again, and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself — that was the ultimate subtlety; consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved the use of doublethink"

War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength.

George Orwell has already written all of my posts for me on this topic