Islamaphobia?

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So, as feminists, women, fighting against patriarchy, against rape culture against male violence to women. My question is this.

Are we suddenly now supposed to be supporting a religion that is an actual rape culture, Openly accepted paedophilia, actual supremacy of toxic masculinity an actual patriarchy Which is responsible for female genital mutilation , based on a the word of a paedophile warmonger who propagates a monotheist singular God who is male .

And when Anyone, speaks out about these things We're labelled as a racist and as islamaphobe and told to silence our voice for the religion of peace?

Have I ended up in the twilight zone or something?

Slug, I didn't say Darwin had no evidence at all - merely that he didn't have that evidence when he formulated evolution by means of natural selection. And Malthus's work is purely speculative - it's not meant to have empirical evidence.

As Buffy says, we would need to have a discussion about what counts as evidence. Testimony and experience are admissible as evidence in a court of law - indeed are the main elements of the evidence in most trials.

slug - I'm not a Creationist, don't worry. I have no beef with Darwin. I'm an academic specialising in the Victorian period, that's all

". It was belief without foundation in empirical evidence. He spent the next 25 years collecting evidence to back up his belief, "

He had a hypothesis and he tested it. That IS science!

And atheists who want nothing to do with what you might call the discourse of atheism, most commonly associated with people like Dawkins. And yet, my experience tells me that atheism is strongly linked with Dawkins esque beliefs in science and evolution, particularly in our culture, even acknowledging that this link is in no way inevitable. Would you say that my perception of the connectedness of these things was wrong, in terms of western culture?

I don't even know what Dawkins thinks or says beyond he is an atheist. I've never read him or listened to him and have no intention of doing so. I've never read any philosophy of atheism nor On the Origin of Species. I have probably a very basic layperson's understanding of the theory of evolution. I know that I do not believe in a god and never have. I don't need Dawkins or anyone else to explain or validate what I don't believe in.

I have no idea what people mean when they say they do believe in a god.Believers talk about having a relationship with a god or Christ. I literally have no idea what they are taking about.

I would not dare say you are wrong but your analysis of what is going on in my atheist brain is wrong.

I love it, Christmas is coming and people are arguing about beliefs that have the same amount of credibility as Father Christmas popping down the chimney.

"He had a hypothesis and he tested it."

No, he looked for evidence that would support it. How, exactly, could you test the mechanism of natural selection? I'm not saying Darwin wasn't a great scientist. Clearly he was. I'm just saying that science is more of a fuzzy business than it's made out to be, and that belief does have a part to play in it.

Slug, I hope you haven't put together the fact that I'm sceptical about materialist atheism either the fact that I mentioned Darwin and assumed I'm a Creationist. That would be prejudice, no?

BUffy, I'm not in a position to talk about it in terms of Islam, but I will in terms of Christian fundamentalists.

Christian fundamentalism does draw upon the beliefs of the church and the bible. It is connected to the non fundamentalist Christian beliefs I was brought up with.

The beliefs of Dawkins are fundamentalist and are connected to the same non fundamentalist scientific and rationalist beliefs I was also brought up with.

But atheism is not a belief system. I'm not saying that to disassociate atheists from Dawkins. I'm saying it because I don't understand how people are supposed to communicate with each other when we start assuming very basic statements like believing or not believing in God are whole systems of belief.

All I can is the idea of a god makes no sense to me. I have a vivid memory of being in a Primary 2 class (age 7 in Scotland ) in an RE lesson and thinking this makes no sense. I didn't know anything about the theory of evolution or the Big Bang then (if pressed to explain the latter I'd struggle now)

As I grew up it made even less sense. Original sin? The Christian god setting Adam and Eve up for an inevitable fall ? (as soon eloquently explained by Satan in Paradise Lost) Christian dieing (dying - how is that word spelled) to redeem our sins?

Oh ffs

as so eloquently explained by Satan in Paradise Lost) Christ dieing (dying - how is that word spelled) to redeem our sins?

Errr, what? I don't know the detail of what he looked for but presumably it would've given him pause if he'd found a development that clearly disadvantaged the animal.

Dying, lass!

"I don't see the irony in saying that religious belief and critical thinking are incompatible."

Hermione, that was not what was said. Also religious belief and critical thinking are not incompatible. Are you confusing critical thinking with scientific thinking?

It is laughable how people are so desperate to defend Islam that all they can do is drag Christianity into it. What exactly did Jesus say and do that was anti woman? Well?

I don't get it...WHY do people on this board try to defend Islam by attacking Christianity? It is like men who go, 'Well, women kill too...' Pathetic.

MEN and patriarchy are to blame for the shit women have to put up with, not religion. That is just a tool. But don't compare Jesus to the paedophile Mohammed. That is like comparing apples and oranges.

Be anti-religion all you like. I am. But don't be ignorant.

CoteDAzur Fri 11-Dec-15 14:47:27
Mohammad is not a "paedophile" since he did not lay a finger on his 'wife' until she had her period and "became a woman" as was the practice at that time, and not only among Arabs. You might like to look into what life expectancy and age at marriage was around the world around the year 600.

"I'm just saying that science is more of a fuzzy business than it's made out to be"

Science was a rather fuzzy business back in Darwin's day, with little understanding of biology (let alone DNA) and no framework for rigorous scientific studies and peer review.

When you people criticising Darwin wake up one day in the year 2015, you will see that things have changed quite a bit.

.WHY do people on this board try to defend Islam by attacking Christianity? It is like men who go,

Is anyone attacking Christianity? I didn't think I was nor that I was defending Islam. I have made disparaging comments about the Pope and the Catholic Church because that is the sect I know most about.

I have a great deal of time for former bishop Richard Holloway (Scottish Episcopalian ) who I heard using a Christmas Eve sermon , of all things, to criticise the other former Catholic bishop Keith O'Brien in relation to O'Brien's predilection for telling people what not to do in their bedrooms.

Why I was there is St. Mark's Episcopalian church has a non denominational music school attached to it and the choir is spine tingling lyrics good (the devil doesn't have all the best tunes)

I agree with wicked if you actually look at Jesus and what he did. He was shocking because he sat with women (who were less than property) visited them in their homes and involved them in the church as much as the men. He was the first scholar who took men to task for divorcing women and leaving them destitue. He talked about the women driven to prostitution and rebuked the men that used them but not the women.

Oh ffs x 2 Cardinal O'Brien and St. Mary's