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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How a man becomes a woman. Daily Mail article.

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kua · 05/12/2015 23:22

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3346063/How-surgeons-perform-sex-change-Eye-watering-animation-rev
eals-stage-man-woman.html

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noeffingidea · 08/12/2015 08:56

onemorecasualty some transwomen (not all) blatantly hate women. They call us 'fish'. I suppose jealousy lies at the heart of it.

venusinscorpio · 08/12/2015 08:58

I think they think they can do "woman" so much better. We're not worthy of the name.

noeffingidea · 08/12/2015 09:01

venus thankfully they're not prescribed on the NHS (or privately in the UK as far as I know).
They are in the US though. Some people are predicting a rash of law suits 10 years or so down the line, once these children grow up and realise that this may not have been the best course of action taken by their parents.

SparklyTinselTits · 08/12/2015 09:18

Its worrying when it comes to children isn't it Sad
Plenty of boys play with dolls and wear girls clothes out of childish curiosity, and the same the other way round with girls wearing boys clothes and playing typical boy toys etc....and there seems to be lots of parents out there who are happy to ship them off to a doctor straight away to "fix" their kid.

I played football and lived in boys tracksuit bottoms and football shirts from the age of 8 until I was about 11....imagine if my mum and taken me to the doctor for hormone blockers Confused

noeffingidea · 08/12/2015 09:47

It's all very delusional, as if it takes place in a bubble. At least that's the way I see it.
Google Jazz Jennings. She's 15 now. She's unhappy that boys don't want to date her.Why don't her parents tell her the truth? Straight boys are attracted to biological girls. Gay boys are attracted to biological boys.Most people aren't pansexual and that doesn't make them transphobic. These are the kinds of things I would be pointing out to my kids, instead of pretending that you can wave a magic wand that makes everything fine.

noeffingidea · 08/12/2015 09:50

Should have said 'gay boys are attracted to biological boys that appear and identify as male'.

howtorebuild · 08/12/2015 10:06

they are risking not being able to have children in future once they go down certain less easily reversible paths.

Eugenics?

PassiveAgressiveQueen · 08/12/2015 10:53

I have heard a trans activist state that the insistence on hormones for trans people to be fully recognised is a form of eugenics.
And it is a good point, but not one i can see a way around that makes everyone happy.

MrsFionaCharming · 09/12/2015 02:05

I was desperate for a penis as a child. Really, really wanted one. Luckily, rather than change my name and tell me I was a boy, my parents figured out that I was actually just envious that my brother could pee standing up and I couldn't. They pointed out that he couldn't have a baby, which I decided was far cooler.

BeyondThirty · 09/12/2015 10:32

"basically amounts to your entire lifetime’s worth of periods condensed into a two month period of recovery. Bloody, hormonal, moody, painful recovery."

Ha. I'd love for this woman to be there when i have my prolapse surgery. Bloody, hormonal, moody, painful recovery and the possibility that it could even coincide with my period. Having an op for a condition that they as a biological man, even if they are one with a 'faux vag' will never have to experience.

GreenTomatoJam · 09/12/2015 11:12

err... sounds a lot like my first post natal experience too (not my second. For whatever reason, a lot less blood for a lot less time with the second one)

Plus of course labour pains on the way there, and after pains whilst feeding the baby.

I realise that this isn't a competition, that both experiences are different and difficult, but really, we do get what recovery following a dramatic experience following a trauma to your genitals feels like - there's no need to act like this is something special that women wouldn't have a reference experience for.

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