Germaine Greer

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i never post here but I'm watching Germaine Greer on newsnight
Crazy, the woman is not allowed to discuss feminist issues without being forced to discuss transgender issues
Disclaimer- I really like GG
Am I reading this correctly? Why does she have to fight for a different groups issues

I'm wondering about transgender women like Tara. I believe in some locations (states in the US, and Ireland) you can legally change your sex when you identify as a woman, with no surgery or hormone replacement required.

I wonder if, in those countries, crimes committed by transgender women are recorded as crimes committed by women, for statistical purposes?

I hope not.

Yes, they are.

well I haven't read all 15 pages but just a few.

I am with GG on this one, and Noodle made an excellent post. what is 'living as a woman' outside of biological aspects anyway?

Besides GG is entitled to any opinion she likes. What happened to free speech and debate? University officers have always taken themselves too seriously and have always had fascist tendencies IME/O.

'oh oh we don't agree with GG on this so we don't want to hear anything that she has to say'!! just WTAF?

Redleotard, they are.

I don't have a link but from what I've read, in Aus a small number of the most violent serial rapist/murderers are listed as "female" but they are actually transwomen.

If it weren't for that, I understand the records of serial sexually motivated murder committed by women, would be zero.

Yes, crimes by trans women are recorded as by women, and they are housed in women's prisons regardless of surgery.

It's a disgrace

Bubs - there have definitely been very long threads on MN outside of this board. Feel free to do a search.

I'm stunned. Absolutely floored. Why is there not a fucking outcry? I'm actually more concerned about that, than where they are incarcerated.

I wonder how many are rape crimes?

I think outcry is abruptly silenced by calls of "TERF".

Radfems have been talking about it for ages but don't tend to get listened to much, even by other feminists!

a bit like the male MPs in the H of C trying to silence women speaking by calling 'BREASTS' when one of them tries to speak.

Kind of funny that all these uni types don't see that GG is being silenced because she is a woman

I do feel a bit silly to be so late to the party on this. Like GG, I don't give transwomen much thought, beyond hoping they have perfectly lovely, fulfilling lives, but not accepting them as women.

I'm not quite sure how to state this so apologies if it isn't very coherent but...

Cultural appropriation is a word I hear more now than ever before. Wearing native american indian headdress if you are not native american is cultural appropriation and is quite rightly denounced. Aren't trans women guilty of this as well? Why is this not recognised?

Maybe my post is in the wrong thread.

Nope, it's a good point, that's been made before.

Because men's right to be validated in their choice of expression is valued and women's experience of womanhood is not.

I like your halloween name Buffy .

I am black in the exact same way I am a woman. Adolph Reed Jr wrote about this recently, I have posted this article several times on this board but its so good I will post it again here it is.

Msrisotto - I did mean about GG and the Cardiff petition rather than trans activism vs feminism in general . I searched for "Germaine Greer" and came up with nothing though, not even this thread!

" I searched for "Germaine Greer" and came up with nothing though, not even this thread! "

how bizarre

Yeah I access MN via Safari on my phone, I often find the search function buggy.

"Wearing native american indian headdress if you are not native american is cultural appropriation and is quite rightly denounced. Aren't trans women guilty of this as well?"

I think there's a massive difference between wearing the dress as a kind of temporary entertainment (e.g. for Halloween) and wearing it because you feel that it is your identity. (And I don't just mean in that rather flippant way of 'Oh, I'm part Cherokee' that you hear from celebs!!) Cultural appropriation has many guises, some further beyond the pale than others.

I am suspicious of ideas of "authenticity" when it comes to identity. And I personally think that in a couple of decades a lot of anti-trans feeling will look like those kinds of unbridled racism that you see in clips from the 1960s does now. (I don't mean that we have 'solved' racism now, just that there is an unashamedness about it in those clips that seems quite parallel to the outspokenness of some groups on this issue today).

What is the difference between the temporary entertainment and the lifestyle choice?

shovetheholly I really don't understand what you are saying, I am questioning how someone can identify as a woman without being a woman. What do you mean by authenticity, a vagina or uterus.