So today, I made a point and the Men didn't like it.

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I don't know if it was a case of attempting to put a Woman in her place or not wanting to do extra work.

I was picking up a new car today. I ordered as Ms. The paperwork was Miss so I said I would like it changed. My goodness the almighty fuss they caused when I asked to have my preferred title used. First out came Mr big boss, aggressive and going in for attack to squash me into submission. Second came Mr middle manager trying to rile me with a huge grin on his face loving the whole thing.

In the end I won, it took an hour and a half, me keeping them on focus, loads of suggestions, a threat of wanting a refund. In the end I thanked the big boss for sorting things backing down and he said stop you're making my blood boil. Mr salesman kept out of it and later when showing me how to use the radio, told me his partner is a feminist.

I am new to all of this and dread to think how hard it's been in the past. I only wanted my title of choice, you would think I was trying to take a car for free, due to the uproar.

I didn't really get the importance of MS until recently either. Are you interested in learning why, or just posting to provoke?

my friend called herself ms after her divorce because she was now unmarried but still wanted same name as her children.yes i understand why some folk do it just don,t think its such a big deal .only my opinion

Mr doesn't indicate the marital status of a man, Ms is the female version.

I think it is a big deal that women are identified as married or not by their title but men aren't.

And the assumption by the company that OP will just assume the title of their choice without fuss is a big deal.

I dislike being defined by my marital status and used to use Ms in order to make a point. Thankfully I am now Dr and so I use that

On a tangent: the ticket inspector at my local station cheerfully informed me that he couldn't find me on the system, then realised 'Dr Plump' was me but that I'd been entered as male because the system assumes doctors are male. He said it with a smile, but wasn't making a joke. It's 2015 FFS!

NEW i am not wrong yes you dont have to change your name to mrs when you marry .but most folk do .well usually if you have children . as i said its only what i think .unless i have only to comment if i agree

You can disagree without calling me daft which is a personal attack, I let it ride as I have Rhino hide nowadays.

but you are wrong - you implied a binary system - of miss or mrs. we don't have one, we have the option of ms which applies to you whether you are married or not.

I'd Tweet at them - name and shame. A lot of people will see that. Plus complain in writing to their MD.

Can't really believe they were so arsey about it. I mean, WTF?

if you are married its mrs unmarried miss

Not correct. There is no law that says you have to be "Mrs". I vary between Miss and Ms. I hate "Mrs" never use it.

I don't agree with the comment I think miss is stupid.

You can assume anyone using "Mrs" is married but you can't assume a "Miss" is not married (well you can assume whatever you want but it won't necessarily be right )

aprilanne - are you for real? Do you really not have any idea why the term 'ms' was introduced? It's not a recent thing either, it's origins are from the 17th century!

aprilanne Just because 'most folk' do change it to Mrs, doesn't mean that a person's decision not to should be disregarded as unimportant.

howto rebuild sorry .

biwi yes i know the reason but just cant see the point .to me its either miss or mrs .maybe i have been mrs so long can,t imagine why i would be called any thing else .

Thanks, April.

The point I was clumsily making is that whatever our opinion, the OP is not daft for wanting her chosen title to be upheld.

I didn't see the point either April,then I started to learn and appreciate feminism and why it's so important.

We shouldn't be making assumptions about marital status based on title. We don't with Mr. It's irrelevant. That's the point isn't it?

aprilanne yes i know the reason but just cant see the point The point is that women have an option to not reveal their married status (historically, and still, imbued with moral value) the same as men have

to me its either miss or mrs Riiiight. So if a woman (married or not) chooses to call herself 'Ms' you would just disregard her decision and either call her Miss (not married) or Mrs (married) despite the fact that she has chosen to be called something else. Nice.

maybe i have been mrs so long can,t imagine why i would be called any thing else Irrelevant. The OP wants to be called by a certain title and is making an issue of a company not calling her by that title. Whether the title in question is Mrs/Ms/Miss is largely by-the-by, its about the OP demonstrating her right to be know as she has chosen to be.

Are you actually for real OP?!

maybe my feminist radar is way off living in a house with hubby 3 sons even all my pets are male .

I'm mystified why this should cause a problem

is there a higher authority to which you can complain? Could you publicise the incident somewhere?

^Are you for real aprilanne not OP, sorry!

The point I was clumsily making is that whatever our opinion, the OP is not daft for wanting her chosen title to be upheld

Really? It read rather that Miss, and by implication anyone using it, is stupid. Miss is traditionally used for female advocates and barristers. Must remember that when I next instruct one. Indeed must tell self I'm stupid when I use it too.