Not all Romans

[AskBasil]

The Romans built the first roads in Britain.

But not all Romans

The Vikings built ships which sailed as far as America.

Not all Vikings.

Rabbits are known for reproducing really quickly.

Not all Rabbits.

Etc. etc. I think I will add "not all" whenever anyone refers to anything ever, until people stop saying Not All Men as a first response to a class analysis of men's behaviour.

Jeanne,

www.hesa.ac.uk/stats

Students in 2013/14 by mode , level and gender
Undergraduate Postgraduate Total
Full-time Female 762065 162470 924530
Full-time Male 629410 141925 771340
Full-time Total 1391585 304445 1696030
Part-time Female 225830 138730 364560
Part-time Male 142480 96220 238695
Part-time Total 368335 234995 603325
Total Female 987895 301195 1289090
Total Male 771890 238145 1010035
Total 1759915 539440 2299355

Not sure I see this pro male postgrad gap you are talking about. In fact, quite the reverse.

This thread is the best. @ "Some Vikings build some ships, some of which sailed as far as some parts of America."

larry, I assume you are picking up on a parenthetical and qualified point I made, and ignoring your major errors and mistakes?

I mentioned - brackets included '(or even postgrad work, in some areas)' being male-dominated.

You have given me total figures, which - funnily enough - apply to the total population. Not 'some areas'.

Do you want to carry on with this, or should I go do some proper work while you take another half hour combing through my data to find something you think you can nit-pick about?

Jeanne,

Let's leave it. You are basically saying that, where you admit that on a population level, women are doing far better, whereas in some areas (which you are assuming are 'more important') men still do better.

We can all cherry pick self serving statistics. I suggest you go do some 'proper' work. Must admit that, were it not the holidays, I would definitely not have time to waste on here.

What a load of bollocks, larry.

I have already told you I am looking at the whole population.

You are looking at a small slice of UK-based, young women.

You are the one cherry picking stats here (and doing it badly, too).

If you consider it a waste of time to think about why women are, on the whole, struggling more than men, I think you and I are unlikely to agree.

The Normans had a crack at Wales too. I am shocked at your cymruphobia.

My Welsh history prior to about the 18th century is pretty patchy, I have to admit. However, if you want to know about the history of Merthyr Tydfil in the industrial revolution, I'm yer gal.

Who doesn't want to know the history of Merthyr Tydfil in the industrial revolution?

White people really do love to argue.

And relax

Oh yes it's cherry picking to point out that although most nurses are women, senior nurses are over-represented by men.

And that although most teachers are women, most headteachers are men and that heads of dept are over represented by men.

And that although girls are getting better grades than boys, they are underrepresented in STEM subjects.

Cherry picking, all that.

Oops, that was the kingie.

Buffy, I've already done that bit of pedantry.

Merthyr a shit hole. Has to be up there with the most angry football supporters going

Humans have two hands and two feet.

Not all humans.

Merthyr is a dump these days, but it has a very interesting history.

What about all the people who weren't called Norman? Why are you ignoring them?

Yes they did. Henry III invaded Wales and was defeated by the Welsh.

Not all the Welsh defeated him of course. Only some of them, Llewellyn included.

'And that although girls are getting better grades than boys, they are underrepresented in STEM subjects.'

This one always gets me because what I am meant to think is that the selection is biased but the higher grades are caused by greater brain power/application and have nothing to do with educational bias.

Both halves of that sentence need addressing.

The Ancient Egyptians built the pyramids.

Not all the Ancient Egyptians.

You mean they should be cherry picked.

Not all cherries.

the higher grades are caused by greater brain power/application and have nothing to do with educational bias.

I'm allowed just to roll about laughing here, aren't I? Right?

So when Cambridge Physics dept. changed their syllabus and got more women in, it was clearly just that women aged 18-21 suddenly developed greater brain power/application, right?

It wasn't that there was any 'educational bias' in there before.

God no!

Thank goodness you're here to help. I do hope those idiots at Cambridge physics are combing MN for the off-beam pontifications of misogynists today. They'll learn a lot.