Feminist Pub XX - may the summer rains wash the patriarchy down the plughole

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Ooh ooh! Do I get to start it?

Wine and cake all round. And a celebratory burst on the patriarchy-blasting cannon!

Old pub here

Lewis's Law.

I know more than one woman who has been told not to go for postgraduate qualification in case she can't find a husband.

Just going to leave this here, The defence QC in the case made some horrendous comments about the victims. For once though, read BTL.... the legal profession needs sorting really.

Metro article

Glad to hear you had mostly good news Inicked. Take this time to heal and gather your thoughts. And never think that a bad experience with a doctor is something to gloss over. I think your lovely doctor is right. But it's understandable that you may not want to take it further. It's so lovely to have validation though.

I caught This Morning on Friday too. (Wasn't accident though :) )

The bit where they had a chat before the phone in, some study shows men prefer women who a less intelligent than themselves, Ruth was saying something like, maybe these smart women don't want a man, they are happy as they are etc, and the other woman guest said, if a load of men are single it's assumed it's because they like it that way, but when we talk about about single women there must be doing something wrong. They were both quite passionate about it, then the male guest complaining feminism has gone to far, education is too feminised, omg males have to take compulsory rape classes, wah wah, boo fucking hoo for him, then Aeomon ( so) said the women are " sensitive" to which Ruth said "whenever a woman has an opinion she's called sensitive or argumentive" I may have shouted fuck off at the TV a lot.

The phone in was just as bad. One man saying he'd choose a not very bright Cheryl Cole over an intelligent hunchback, depressing stuff on the comments too.

I actually thought, these men complaining about intelligent women sound like they don't like it because women are cottoning on to their attitudes and are choosing not to have relationships/sex with men like that and that's very bad, so women better stop being all clever and independant and making their own choices or all the human race will end! Something like that.

Goodness! They can't broadcast stuff like that in the morning...

Just checking in (the pub had dropped off my radar). Nothing much to say for myself, so I'll just sit quietly in the corner with my drink

Me neither. I'll have a second cup of tea ...

Can I join you both for a quadruple espresso? I've got a stinking cold, so has DC2 who started waking just as I dropped off, finally got some sleep around 2. At 6 DSS ran from overseas in turmoil as he has split up with his GF. I need coffee...

I'm contemplating a meal plan but nothing looks very interesting at the moment. I think I need more coffee first.

And hope you get better soon EE.

Meal plan for a week Never?

Yes - stuff for packed lunches and tea. Or at least enough ingredients to make up these meals... I don't like any meal plans that anyone suggests on the internet because they are ALL WRONG for our taste...

I definitely need coffee before I can deal with today. I have 3 small boys arriving for a Halloween sleepover at 4.30pm. DD keeps trying to be helpful in setting things up, so everything is taking twice as long as it should.

Actually, I probably need gin, but I'll settle for coffee

INickedAName I have always thought it the logical conclusion to the "clever women are single" that being in a heterosexual relationship just is not good for women, and clever women are more likely to see that.

For a woman, getting any man at all is easy what with men outnumbering women in almost all age brackets. Any woman could find a man who wants her. What is not so easy is to find a man who meets high standards. I happen to know several clever women who are single because they don't want to settle for stupid men.

The "spinster" who would settle for any man at all, is a species that exists only in societies where there are significantly less men than women, due to wars. (And I think that even in those societies, the women more likely to be single are the ones who are not, let's say, overly motivated to run after and cater to men.)

It may be the lack of sleep Vestal, but I feel I still see women who settle for inequality or poor treatment in order to find a man. Maybe less so in educated, middle class circles.

Oh, it still happens, EElisaveta, no doubt, I just think clever women are the ones to first notice that "settling" is not a good idea.

I know a woman who was with an idiot because she thought she couldn't get a better boyfriend. She now has a better boyfriend. The improvment is mainly in her realizing that she CAN do better, but still. With many women remaining single, there's some chance the most horribly misogynist assholes will have to stay single because even those women who feel they need a boyfriend can get a better one.

Or were you talking about my statement on spinsters? I was mainly talking about spinsters who ARE single, even though they would, theoretically, settle for any man.

The woman I mentioned above had no problems finding that stupid guy she was involved with first. He practically fell into her lap when she was a teenager.

A less superficially "pretty" woman might have to put a tad bit more effort into it, but I doubt involuntary singleness is a large-scale problem for women. (Not finding a GOOD man, is, yes, but finding any man at all ...)

I was thinking of the Colleen Rooneys, or maybe Ched Evans's partner - infidelity, prostitutes, rape, they stand by their man. It's sad that young women would have so little self esteem. Even when I was young I thought it was incumbent on everyone not to accept wankbadgery, as it means there's one more example of a man getting away with it out there. But I am a bit spaced out on Night Nurse so maybe not making sense!

Women's Equality Party is doing a survey on street harassment if anyone fancies filling it in here.

DD has found one or two of her friends upset with her as guys wont come sit with them at the Uni bar. After DD turned an "overly friendly" guy into a pretzel when his hands forgot their bounds a lot of guys now avoid DD (which she is happy about she wants to study). The other annoying part is that she keeps getting asked to teach self defence, which she is frustrated about as she has spent 14 years studying martial arts and whilst she could qualify to teach her career plans are far more important to her. Running self defence classes would take up a lot of time that she wants to spend studying or relaxing. Plus she trains once a week so it would be hard for her. She doesn't need guys and she doesn't suffer fools so the pool of guys she would select from is limited.

Well done to your DD sausage. I was like that at uni - I could not be doing with boys. I was very impatient at all the juvenile display and behaviour, all the understanding that you do certain things. But nobody bothered me too much - I don't know if I was just "unattractive" or whether the message went across. But I was very happy to be doing my own thing and if I went back I would do the same thing.